God’s Plan ? Free Will? Predestination?
It can’t be all three; they are mutually exclusive. And since they are mutually exclusive, the Bible has to be wrong about two of them.
According to the verses below, our fate is predetermined by God;
- O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
- Acts 13:48
- And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
- For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestine.… Moreover whom he did predestine, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
- For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. …. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. … Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? …
Here is Paul’s inane explanation of why God chooses to keep some people who “neither having done any good or evil” out of heaven:
Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
- He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
- 2 Th.2:11-12
- God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned.
- 2 Tim.1:9
- Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began.
- Jude 4
- For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation.
- John 3:27
- John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
All of the above verses state, without a doubt, that God preordains the fate of every individual. This means that man DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL if his fate is already preordained.
About God’s Plan For You
Christians are always proclaiming that God has a plan for them. A through search of the Bible reveals only one passage that even comes close to indicating that God has a plan for his chosen.
For I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jeremiah 29:11 NIV
For Jews Only, No One Else
Those words were spoken by God to the Jews, “to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon” Jeremiah 29:1
They were meant as words of encouragement to those JEWS who had been captured. God was speaking to JEWS, not Christians, not mankind. Anyone who was not a Jew was an enemy.
God’s Plans For YOU!
If you are not a Jew, well then, God has plans for you too but it has nothing to do with your prosperity, hope and a future. You are considered to be an enemy. Here then, still reading from Jeremiah, is a summary of the nonsense that surrounds the one phrase Christians use to feel good about God’s plan for their non Jewish lives.
- He will bring evil to entire cities, destroying them and wipe out all of their inhabitants. 4:6-8
- He will send lions, wolves, and leopards to tear people to pieces. 5:6
- He just can’t hold in his fury any longer. He will kill everyone: husbands and wives, children and old people. 6:11
- He will punish the men by taking away their property, including their wives, and giving it to others. 6:12
- He will kill pretty much everyone: fathers and sons, family, friends, and neighbors. He plans to kill them all after laying a stumbling block before them. 6:21
- He will pour out his anger on both man and beast. Not even the trees will be spared from his wrath. And the ground itself will burn forever. 7:20
- He will feed people to the birds and the beasts and no one will scare them away. 7:33
- He will cover the earth with dead bodies that will not be buried. “They shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.” 8:2
- People will choose to kill themselves, rather than be killed by their vicious God. 8:3
- To punish men, he will “give their wives unto others.” 8:10
- He will send serpents to cockatrices to bite you. 8:17
- He will give the people bad food and water, and then kill them with a sword. 9:15-16
- He will kill children and young men, and the dead bodies “shall fall as dung …. and none shall gather them.” 9:21-22
- He is the source of evil. 11:11, 16:10-11, 19:3, 23:12, 26:3,13,19, 32:42, 35:17, 36:3, 36:31, 40:2, 42:10, 44:2, 45:5, 49:37, 51:64
- He forbids others from praying for his victims. Such prayers would be useless anyway, he says, because he “will not hear them in their time of trouble.” 11:14
- He will punish people by killing their young men in war and starving their children to death. 11:22
- God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death. 11:22-23
- His sword will “devour” everyone until “no flesh shall have peace.” 12:12
- He will make everyone drunk and then “dash the fathers and the sons together.” He vows to “not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.” 13:13-14
- He tells Jeremiah not to pray for the people. God has decided to kill them all and he doesn’t want to be talked out of it. 14:11-12, 15:1
- God promises to kill everyone by war, starvation, and disease. 14:12, 24:10, 29:17-18, 42:17-18, 22
- He will destroy by famine and sword those who are misled by the prophets. 14:16
- He plans to kill people with swords, tear their flesh with dogs, and feed their bodies to the birds and beasts. Why? Because of something some former king did. 15:2-4
- He will kill children, make more widows than there are grains of sand, terrorize cities, and then kill the survivors. 15:7-9
- He told Jeremiah not to get married or have children, because he will kill everyone (mothers and daughters, fathers and sons). They all “shall die of grievous deaths,” and that shall neither “be lamented” nor buried, but “shall be as dung upon the face of the earth.” For he has removed peace, “lovingkindness,” and mercy from the people. 16:1-7
- When the people ask why God is killing everyone, he answers by saying, “Because your fathers have forsaken me.” 16:10
- He will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other. 19:7-9
- He will kill everyone, “both man and beast,” with a “great pestilence.” 21:6
- He will force all of Israel to get drunk. Then, he’ll kill them all with a sword. 25:27-29
- He will kill so many people that the entire earth will be covered with their dead bodies. No one is to mourn them or even bury them, “they shall be as dung upon the ground.” 25:33
- He will bring evil on all flesh. 45:5
- On the day of the Lord, God’s sword will become drunk with blood. 46:10
- He plans to kill just about everybody. “No city shall escape” and “cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.” 48:8-10
- He will cause the daughters of Rabbah to be burned to death. 49:2
- He will “break in pieces” pretty much everyone and everything he can think of. 51:21-23
- He will get the Babylonians drunk and then kill them all, leading them “like lambs to the slaughter.” 51:39-40
- God will force the Babylonians to get so drunk that they die from alcohol poisoning. 51:57
Is that unbelievable? Do you still think God has a plan for YOU? Are you Jewish?
Out of Context
Christians cherry pick phrases from the Old Testament that they like, ignoring the context of the phrase. They think SOME of the phrases in the Old Testament were written for them. They weren’t. They were all written by Jews, about Jews, for Jews. God only spoke directly to Jews, never anyone else. But he only spoke to them for a few years. He went silent around 1200 BCE and has remained silent to this day. He even remained silent during the wholesale slaughter of His Children of Israel during the Holocaust. All this is obvious to the unbiased observer.
Reality Vs God’s Plan
How is it even possible for Christians to disown (as most do) the murderous treachery of the Old Testament, yet “believe” the Pollyanna cherry picked phrases like Jeremiah 29:11? If God’s plan is that EVERYONE will prosper, be unharmed and to have hope and a future, how do you explain any of this? Is this God’s plan?
Allowed six million of the Children of Israel, his “chosen” people, to be slaughtered by Hitler
Intentionally causes some children to be born with birth defects;
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
allows millions of children (and adults) to starve to death;
According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.
- intentionally visits cruel, debilitating chronic diseases like cholera, measles, typhoid, malaria, Aids, Parkinsons and Huntingtons upon unlucky individuals;
- periodically causes the earth to shift causing bloodshed, death and years of suffering
What were God’s plans for those poor souls whose stories are represented above.
You may believe in “God” but why do you even speak to Him after all his indifference to human suffering?
Would you speak to me if I watched and allowed your daughter to be tortured and raped?
God fails as a “Good Samaritan” and is guilty of depraved indifference.
What good is He if he doesn’t help us in these cases?
In short, how do you reconcile the claims of faith with the facts of life?
Blather, blather, blather.
Oh…. I see. That explains it.
You have seen that two of God’s precepts are mutually exclusive. One more proof that the Bible is wrong. Yet we still have one more Christian belief to expose. That is the concept of “Free Will”
Now, What About “Free Will”?
There is no biblical passage that supports free will. Period. Show us we’re wrong!
The concept of “free will” is a conceit concocted by Christians to rationalize the atrocities that man inflicts upon each other and keep God innocent. If it weren’t “Free Will” then all the bad stuff that happens would be God’s fault. “Free Will” is the way to absolve God from all the bad things that happen. The rape of a 12 year old girl/boy can not be prevented by God “because Man is sinful and has free will”. This Truthsayer has actually had that response from a Christian. Again, there is no biblical passage that supports free will.
The whole idea of “free will” is somehow associated with Adam and Eve who, because they had “free will” chose to disobey God and therefore plunged all of humanity into a state of sin. Do you really believe that shit? Please read our expose’ on this whole sin thing here “The Bible Is Wrong About Original Sin“.
Anyway, properly used, this whole nonsense of “free will” originally referred only to the free will someone has with respect to accepting the “word”. The phrase was highjacked and expanded to become an excuse for all the bad human initiated things that God could have prevented but did not.