The Bible Is So Wrong About So Much

…It’s OK to not believe any of it!

T.Jefferson God denial

If the Bible is the inspired word of God, then why is it so wrong about so much?

There is no evidence that what the Bible says about any of the events below is true; and that is the truth.

The Bible is wrong about the existance of God – The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the origin of the cosmos. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the origin of the species. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about “Original Sin”. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Noah and a world wide flood. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the Tower of Babel. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Moses. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Egypt being plagued by 10 plagues. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the Exodus. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the 10 Commandments. The Truth.

The Bible is wrong to promote child sacrifice. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about  sun, shadows and drought. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about 1,000,000 Ethiopians being murdered. The Truth

The Bible is wrong: “Free Will”  does not exonerate God. The Truth

The Bible is wrong: “God’s Plan” VS Predestination. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about God being loving, merciful and just. The Truth

The Bible is wrong to promote Yahweh as the only God. The Truth

The Bible is wrong to encourage slavery. The Truth

The Bible is wrong to encourage rape The Truth

The Bible is wrong about its promises to the Jews. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about David. The Truth.

The Bible is wrong: There is no evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible. The Truth

The Bible is wrong. Jesus did not establish a “New Covenant”. The Truth.

The Bible is wrong about Jesus’ birth. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the power of prayer. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Jesus love for you.  The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Jesus’ Crucifixion.  The Truth

The Bible is wrong to teach that “Jesus died for our sins”. The Truth

The Bible is wrong – Jesus Was NOT Resurrected. The Truth

The Bible is Wrong About Jesus’ Ascension The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the requirements for Salvation. The Truth

The Bible is wrong – John 3:16 is not the only way to be saved The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Free Will – we are predestined. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about the “End Times”. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about Jesus and Family Values. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about what Jesus said. The Truth

The Bible is wrong about who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Truth

The Bible is wrong; it is not the word of God. The Truth

The Bible is wrong because it contradicts itself. The Truth

Jesus’ own words PROVE the Bible is wrong. The Truth

Paul is so wrong about so much, why do you believe anything he says? The Truth

If the Bible is wrong about its foundation stories, what reason is there to believe anything in the Bible?

Why does an omnipotent, omniscient God limit “his word” to technologies of bronze age man. Swords? Chariots? Rocks? Really?

Why does God not know more than the ignorant, superstitious, Bronze age men who wrote the Bible? Why didn’t He tell us about germs?

How can you possibly love, worship and praise THIS GOD?

210 comments on “The Bible Is So Wrong About So Much

  1. Master Of Myself says:

    Well if there is no God, then there is no ultimate authority, and man is so flawed, why should I follow others laws, if evolution is true then I should live for myself alone or my offspring, and should take from others what I need, survival of the fittest, I owe nothing to no one. Clan together with those who see it my way and enslaving others that are weaker than me. Kill those who get in my way, there is no right or wrong in evolution, it just happens, I see you agree

  2. Jenny says:

    Wow aren’t you the sign of the false profits. The Bible is true, it warns us of preachers who preach false doctrine. That is a who you are. May God open YOUR eyes to the truth.

    • Ken Morgan says:

      You are brainwashed jenny

    • TruthSayer says:

      Jenny, what is your evidence that the bible is true? If the Bible is true, there can not be even one contradiction.
      The Church of Truth presents many contradictions found in the bible.

      For instance,in Matthew: Jesus was born under the reign of Herod who died in 4 BC.
      In Luke: Jesus was born after Cyrenius instituted the tax (6 AD) that Caesar Augustus decreed.
      That is directly from the Bible. Which is true?

  3. Ken Morgan says:

    Awesome comments I do not know how anybody can believe in god

  4. Ken Morgan says:

    I agree

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  7. Robin J Saylor says:

    You act like Jews. You expound believe in truth but also have no definition of truth.

    You are false. Repent.
    I’ll see your justice is not abdicated.

  8. Robin J Saylor says:

    You act like Jews. You expound believe in truth but also have no definition of truth.

    You are false. Repent.

    • You’re right
      This guy takes some random cherry-picked quotes from the bible and twists them to “debunk” so badly that even your local pastor can counter it.
      it’s a fact that all amino acids combining takes a 10^130 chance of occurring, and that even a “simple” single cell organism is far more complex than the space shuttle.
      People have devoted their entire lives to crushing the theory of evolution, but the so called “free” press won’t even look at them and continue to dance at when that guy trump eats his steak well done.

      Click to access Atheistic%20EvolutionBW2-1.pdf

      Of course, there is little proof of WHICH god exists, but these “le epic atheists” going to beat up a straw-man of fundamentalist christian, using the bible, can easily be shown that no damage was done

      • Michael says:

        It’s a shame that this is what passes as “truth” isn’t it? This entire blog is the ass-end of a bad joke.

      • keith says:

        the probability of life happening is actually 100% lol as we are here , the chance of a creator close to 0% as none has ever been found

      • TruthSayer says:

        “random cherry-picked quotes”. That technique was learned from the Xians who are always throwing random cherry-picked quotes at everyone; John 3:16 comes to mind.

        Please provide an example of a cherry-picked quote that has been twisted and then poorly debunked. Glittering generalities are worthless.

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  12. Addi,
    Your line of reasoning sounds more like diarrhea; but looking at the average utterance of these monkeys, I can tell… you are in good company.
    The average individual here follow the spewing of our great Supreme TruthSayer! If it is not build on the “Altar of Science” it has not happened. Specially if he wasn’t there. Not quoting him directly. Just inferring! Supreme TruthSayer: Bet you he can’t not define “Science” without the dictionary. I think It was Albert Einstein who said… (and I am paraphrasing) If you can’t explain it in your own words you don’t know what you are talking about! LOL

    • Vanesssa Mitchell says:

      Village Idiot…I “LOVE” Science!!! I learned today that we humans have LIKE DNA to Cattle by 96%, Mice, Cats, and bananas!!!? Lol…lol…This Research Data has been provided by respected Biologist! However, this is NOT the MAIN Reason for my comment. My “MAIN” Reason is to tell you how I’m “INTERPRETING” Your Thought Process…okay? You sound like this…You acknowledge their is a sun, moon, and stars; but DENY the Universe in which it is suspended or orbits in? You acknowledge that we humans have a physical body but DENY we have NOT A Soul or Spirit!!!? In my life-time, I’ve learned if there EXIST “A Material” there ALSO EXIST “An Immaterial!!!” If there EXIST Good then their EXIST Evil!!! Whether it be apparently Visible to the eyes or not? No matter how green the grass; no matter how beautiful the flower when it first blooms…”DEATH” IS “INTERWINDED” Into ITS “EXISTENCE” LIKE Yours and Mines? No human has ACTUALLY SEEN The GOD “DEATH”!!!?We have “SYMBOLS” OF ITS OR HIS APPEARANCE; BUT ACTUALLY SEEN HIS “TRUE” FORM; No one has seen it because “DEATH” Is A “CLOAKED” Being? Therefore, as you have EMBRACED the Material; do TRY and OPEN Yourself to the Immaterial or Supernatural. I’m a Living Witness that the Supernatural does EXIST!!! Good luck!!!

  13. For all of you quoting Paul: Do you call yourself Christian? Well I think you should all read this link… After you do that tell:
    where is Christ in your teaching? And why do you still call yourself a Christian? Can’t have both. And stop drinking my water!

  14. Supreme Truthsayer, “Just one fool.” Are you mocking me?

    • TruthSayer says:

      @Village Idiot

      No, I’m not mocking you. Jesse Swift had a one word comment “Idiots”. I assumed he was referring to the “authors” of this website.l I was merely telling him there was only one idiot associated with this website.

      • Max Davely says:

        He’s not mocking you. He’s telling you the truth, you are a fool. Plane and simple, even the bible says people who don’t follow his commands are fools. BTW, THERE IS only one way to go to heaven, follow god’s commands. All the 300 and something other things you said are just more specific things + following god’s commands. The only way to understand the BIBLE is to believe it, if you don’t believe it and trust it, you wont understand it, PERIOD. Stop spreading foolishness, you fool.

      • You take some random cherry-picked quotes from the bible and twists them to “debunk” so badly that even your local pastor can counter it.
        it’s a fact that all amino acids combining takes a 10^130 chance of occurring, and that even a “simple” single cell organism is far more complex than the space shuttle.
        People have devoted their entire lives to crushing the theory of evolution, but the so called “free” press won’t even look at them and continue to dance at when that guy trump eats his steak well done.

        Click to access Atheistic%20EvolutionBW2-1.pdf

        Of course, there is little proof of WHICH god exists, but these “le epic atheists” going to beat up a straw-man of fundamentalist Christianity , using the bible, can easily be shown that little damage was done

  15. Jesse Swift says:


  16. addi says:

    While alot of what I’ve read here is alittle out of context or doesn’t display the full story, all in all this is a pretty good starting point for removing the effects of brainwashing so many people and children are still subject to in this day and age. I won’t say I was raised in a religious household, there was knowledge of god but from a young age we watched Ren and Stimpy, cussed, drank and just went along our merry little way. At night I was encouraged to say my prayers but it was never a “Ask god for deliverance before you die in sin.” type thing so much as it was a way to end the day peacefully. My parents were good people but I wasn’t being forced into a religious cocoon, I was allowed to go to church if I wanted to (with other family members as my parents did not go) and I was allowed to ignore it all together if I so wished. For a long time the stories of Jesus’ miracles, the parting of the seas, and a magical all happy place like Heaven was comforting to me. Around 10 or 11 I really started to question things because I just didn’t see a point in it anymore, I didn’t need it so to speak. At 14 I was sent to a Christian school because I was being bullied at school and this godly learning center was the only other place I could go. My dad, a god believer, hated the idea of my going here because he knew what I was going to be subject to. I was skeptical from day one but observed everyone around me with glowing eyes and exuberant smiles while listening to the stories of the bible, the word of god. The main difference between us? They were raised in the church, forbidden from modern sin, the girls went with long skirts and sleeved shirts, they didn’t cut their hair, the boys forbidden form an ear piercing, no hair past the collar! Rightly so the Christians argue, well we aren’t all like this! No of course not, but not all atheists are pitchfork weilding scholars set in their castles of perpetual sin atop a mass of writhing naked bodies and satanic music on loop either. Do I think anything in the bible is true? Absolutley. Is it religous? Of course! Is it godly in the sense the Jews and Christians know it? Not at all. Its human nature, progression, with lots to be told and discovered. I don’t think I know the answers to life’s most grueling athiest-hating questions, “Oh yea?! Well then explain conscience!” Well even monkeys feel bad when they hurt another monkey, scientific fact. Look it up. But we still have this poor misguided humans wasting their life away waiting for ever lasting happiness. Theres so many discrepancies, so many things that don’t add up and unfortunately I need more than that tride and true, “god says there are things in this world that can’t be explained!” Sounds like alot of holes in a good story to me, you’ve read books like that. Things are alittle fuzzy at the end. Its hard to make up everything from A to Z with no cliffhangers. As I get older I see the people around me turn more towards god, they fear death, they fear what comes after. Narcissistic, they can’t imagine not existing, they aren’t just bags of bones and organs, they were made in gods own image! Its all just so convenient when you look at it, it all lends so nicely to control of masses or better yet, just a way of explaining and compelling people. Right now some 30 something year old sits reading this, laughing at me, picking apart my argument with their knowledge of god. I encourage you to sit back and really think about what you know and can prove vs. what the nonbelievers can prove. There is no satan sitting in wait to poison our minds and lead us astray, there is no disbelief because of sin, there is no real sin. Morality is man made, open your eyes and enjoy life now. There are no pearly gates waiting for you.

    • Tom schaber says:

      Wow, that’s a mouthful but I concur with most of it.

    • Jim says:

      I find It’s impossible to enjoy life without consequence, sorry but i find that’s just fact. Life is no easy street here and now and the beleif of that it can be great by simply going out and making it great is false beleiving and probematic. Be careful and keep safe but don’t ever go thinking things are going to be great. Putting your beleif in so called science is not acceptable unless it can be proven by trial and error by yourself, simply beleiving scioentific theories is complete stupididy. At least half the people on earth think the moon landings were real and happened in history. This has been proven a lie, and although the Russians knew from the get go most people refuse to accept the facts. The lies, deception and evil from our governments is far beyond many peoples comprehension. These people don’t think for themselves, they don’t bother researching and getting real facts, they are simply lead like livestock and content with that way of life as it is and stands, their faith is in man which is going to be crushed by the ones they put faith in. When the 3 towers free fell to the ground without any resistants to slow them down questions should have been asked, and although they might have been some that did they were quickly dampened by the power in charge, which just so happened to take control of quite a bit of oil soon after. To be truthful i don’t think many people fathom just how evilish coordinated our governments really are, it goes beyond what you may think you know. The trillions of dollars that went missing from the sep 11th pentagon attack was cruel but unfortunately extremely convenient. Just ask yourself, do you really think something completely evil is not influencing people in power on earth? Or can you see there is no evil influence, we simply need to smarten up a bit and everything will come good in the world?

      • tomschaber says:

        OH MY GOD… you think the moon landings were fake? Please remove your drivel from my website. This is not the place for conspiracy theorists. Oh wait, maybe it is. The belief in Jesus’ resurrection is a conspiracy theory.

      • Jim says:

        This only takes a simple study from all sides. Conspiracy is basically a beleif and not fact. The correct method to be following is reality & facts being displayed out loud and what you & I along with everybody else should be acknowledging. The link below is not anything to do with proof but is quite funny to those who have studied up on it. We are going to Mars next!

      • keith says:

        it is hard to reply to someone who things all conspiracies are true …please please read ALL the information before making such reticulated and unfounded comments

    • Max Davely says:

      Everything in the BIBLE is true, you are foolish too. These days you just can’t find real Christians. You are already poisoned by Satan, you are already so brain-washed. When the end comes I hope you remember this, even better I hope you change before the end comes. There are pearly gates waiting for you. Anybody who is one the verge of losing to satan and are about to fall into sin. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.

      • MMax Davely: “Everything in the BIBLE is true…” The village idiot challenges you! If I find you a contradiction or something that is absolutely wrong will you agree that the Bible is wrong like the Qumran. Now I want to make something absolutely clear, there is a very big difference between the bible and The scriptures. Even though they share similarities. There is also a second point I would lie to stress… I am not Jewish because they follow there traditions and they think that their oral Torah is the word of YHWH. When in reality is the word of their rabbis/scholars. I am also not a christian since I do not follow Paul. And lastly I am not a Muslim since I don’t idolize soldiers or child molesters. All that been said would you like to drink from my cup?

    • Okay, so monkeys being sad when they hurt other monkeys… proves what?
      What I can prove is the existence of a creator

      Click to access Atheistic%20EvolutionBW2-1.pdf

      And, black and white fallacy as well

    • charles coryn says:

      Yes, and there is a reason Anthropology isn’t taught to young children…… Each human culture creates its’ own gods and goddesses, and then the parents and preachers imbue the child from the moment of birth with this knowledge, long before the child can reason. Culture is not a ‘reasonable’ thing, it simply is, and has existed and evolved from the earliest of times, for whatever reasons…….. No other individual from another group can claim intimate knowledge of your group, or your ‘god’, if he has not been brought up from birth with these beliefs.

      But religions control this country and the world’s populations, and we have only recently arrived at the point where science can talk about ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’, and ‘truth’…….. About what ‘really’ happened…….

    • Ken Morgan says:


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  18. Raymond says:

    Consider the fact God has blinded the minds of unbelievers because they rather believe lies. Until you ask the one true God for truth you will remain, deceived, by your own lack of true wisdom and by the greatest deceiver, satan.

    • keith says:

      well the god has also arranged all the evidence, or lack of it to point to his non-existence
      sounds fair to me lol

      • This guy takes some random cherry-picked quotes from the bible and twists them to “debunk” so badly that even your local pastor can counter it.
        it’s a fact that all amino acids combining takes a 10^130 chance of occurring, and that even a “simple” single cell organism is far more complex than the space shuttle.
        People have devoted their entire lives to crushing the theory of evolution, but the so called “free” press won’t even look at them and continue to dance at when that guy trump eats his steak well done.

        Click to access Atheistic%20EvolutionBW2-1.pdf

        Of course, there is little proof of WHICH god exists, but these “le epic atheists” going to beat up a straw-man of fundamentalist christian, using the bible, can easily be shown that no damage was done

    • Atheos says:

      Dear Raymond
      Consider the ‘fact’ that God has blinded the minds. How do you know this is a ‘fact’, given that you are relying on special pleading for a book that you believe trumps all arguments, including common sense?

      Lets step back and ask why statements like this are found in the New Testament. Is it not reasonable to speculate that believers were asking church leaders how come nobody believes us when we share our faith? With such widespread disbelief and ridicule from Roman culture, can you not see what the writer was doing? The mainstream Judaisms (not the plural as there were different flavours of Judaism, just as there were of Christianity) rejected Y’shua/Y’heshua/Jesus as their Messiah. The writer merely used a ploy to make the current believers think they had something special – it is not your fault for sharing the gospel and no one believed your stories – no! It is these ‘stupid’ people who are so ‘blind’ that they cannot ‘see’ the truth of this new mystery religion called Christianity. It is easy to say that God stops them believing, but then this line of thinking is open to criticism that God has therefore violated free will by preventing people form believing. Can’t you see how messed up this looks to me?

      On the one hand you will tell me that God gave me the freedom to chose his way or a celestial barbecue if I don’t, On the other you are telling me that this God (supposedly Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omni benevolent) is going to ‘blind’ me for following and trusting scientific and historical evidence, despite this God wanting to ‘save’ me, and will introduce me to an eternal furnace as punishment? A furnace that was devised in the imaginations of the primitive, pre-scientific, superstitious human mind, drafted in early Christian literature like the Apocalypse of Peter. This book enjoyed wider circulation during the second century AD than the Apocalypse of John and allegedly inspired medieval artwork of hell, like Dante, Hieronymous Bosch, along with the superstitious imaginations of the inquisitors. Our modern day Christian view of hell and demons, owes much to an explosion of ideas in the middle ages about hell, demons and witches that fuelled the design of instruments of torture and interrogation manuals like Maleus Maleficarum – The Witches Hammer. The inquisitions ran from 1231 to 1834. Let us not forget that King Kames I of England (yes he of 1611 King James Version bible translation fame) also wrote and contributed significantly to ideas on demonology and witchcraft that still permeates Christianity today. Can’t you see how Jewish belief in The Satan as a heavenly court accuser whose job was to test people on God’s behalf, has evolved over the centuries within Christianity to become the arch-enemy of God, in a good vs evil battle, who is blamed for most of the evil, suffering and misery that is experienced by the vast majority of humanity?

      Can’t you see how each generation of believers came along, reinterpreted the texts/stories in the light of their own day and added to them with their own understanding? It doesn’t matter which generation of observers watches a ball fall from a tower, for gravity will still have an acceleration of approx 10m per second. Hydrogen atoms will always have just 1 proton in their nucleus. Light will still travel at about 300,000km per second in a vacuum. The Earth is approximately 4.3 Billion years old. Life has existed her for at least 3.7 Billion years with single celled life have the planet to themselves for the best part of 3 Billion of those years of life.

      What kind of person ‘allows’ an allegedly evil, lesser being to torment their ‘children’? That is essentially what you are saying. Imagine pulling that one in a court of law as your defence that you were ‘imitating god’ by allowing some thugs to abuse your daughter for not making you the number one in her life. Can’t you see how you present your deity as such a morally evil being as the instigator of suffering? You offer no evidence for your ‘facts’, apart from reference to a book plus possible anecdotal stories and yet apparently I am the ‘blind’ one for accepting scientific discoveries and historical evidence as demonstrable facts over a fictional deity. So the best that this New Testament writer could come up with to encourage their flock was that I am ‘blind’ for daring to ask hard, critical questions about this religion and dare to challenge many of its claims?

      Please remind me. Which Psalm taught us how to get to the moon? Which teaching of Jesus mentioned germ theory and the importance of washing your hands before meals? Which proverb gave us the cure for Which part of Leviticus and Deuteronomy gave us the Geneva Convention and UN Charter on Human Rights? Which story of Elijah a miracle worker taught us about medicine? Which of the Decalogue (pick any of the 4 main contenders, but most people will be familiar with Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5) taught us freedom from religion as well as freedom to express your religion? Which of the 10 commandments condemns rape? Which of the 10 commandments banned slavery? Which of the 10 commandments promotes equality?

    • tomschaber says:

      So God is going to punish unbelievers for not believing even though they have been deceived by the great deceiver, Satan – who, by the way – God allows to violate His Will?

      What kind of a Loving, Kind, Merciful, Benevolent, Caring, Compassionate, All-Powerful, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Perfect, Patient, Persevering, Righteous, Forgiving, Almighty God would do that?

      Please Help Me. I want true wisdom but Satan is preventing me from achieving it.

      • keith says:

        because neither a god or satan exist

      • Max Davely says:

        Imagine getting betrayed millions of times, it hurts right, let’s add one more thing. BY BILLIONS OF PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY. It’s going to hurt right? Of course it will, now here’s the next question. Will you forgive them? You should. You know Why? Because god does, and he will keep doing it until you die. Hear that, even though god get’s betrayed everyday he still will forgive you. That’s how Loving, Kind, Merciful, Benevolent, Caring, Compassionate, All-Powerful, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Perfect, Patient, Persevering, Righteous, Forgiving, Almighty God he is. Adding to that, if you pray and believe god and follow him he will forgive you and keep you away from the great deceiver, Satan. But, he will allow Satan to temp you, to see if YOU love God. If you want true Wisdom, read the BIBLE, Believe it, Pray to god as if you where having a conversation with him, ask him to forgive you, try to obey his commands, anything that seems wrong and going against god stop doing it. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU. If you have any questions Email me (

    • Ken Morgan says:

      God is not real in your life either,do not kid yourself get over it,the bible nonsense

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  20. The Village Idiot says:

    Here is where all the knock-knock jokes are kept as a record. LOL

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  21. Derek says:

    Explain this please:

    It seems quite a few people misunderstood this question, which is actually a very intelligent observation. Yes, if a day was EXACTLY 24 hours, this would be true. AM and PM would flip flop through the course of a year.

    This is based on the false assumption that the Earth’s day/night cycle is 24 hours to the minute. It is not.

    Our day/night cycle is almost exactly 23 hours and 56 minutes. So where does that extra 4 minutes go each day? Let’s do some math.

    After a week, those 4 minutes offset our day by almost a half-hour.

    After a month, those 4 minutes offset our day by 2 hours.

    After 6 months, those 4 minutes offset our day by 12 hours.

    So as the Earth moves to the opposite end of the sun, our clock has kept pace with the day/night cycle to account for this difference

  22. Derek says:

    Pretty sure ten plagues were at least partially true and being documented as probably caused by thera erupting. I didnt read the rest to comment. I might later

  23. sandman666 says:

    Sure its all made up jew history junk and not very believable either, mostly just a lot of “Hearsay!!” Hard to believe that “nothing is impossible” creator dude was the one whom dictated all this utter nonsense from a teeny tiny area of land leaving the rest of out world’s large land masses and thinking life-forms out of this equation…That makes this god thing seem rather small and auite insignificant!!
    Like is this god guy clueless about a great many things? He, she or it has no problem with those abortions, so babies don’t mean jack any more then kids age 2 and up dying from that damn cancer crap which has now become a #1 killer next to heart disease and such. We know this ancient god dude hates women big time. It puts Israel and its precious holyland above everything else. Wow, this thing could care less about all that evil jazz big pharma does profit-wise with that godsend blessing that freaking most lucrative treatment of cancers? That devils curse is freaking terminating millions of carbon-based life-forms presently including believers alike too. Yet nothing changes just dead silence from a being whom refers to itself as kings of and lord of lords???

    • says:

      don’t lose any sleep over it … there is no god

      • You’re NOT right
        This guy takes some random cherry-picked quotes from the bible and twists them to “debunk” so badly that even your local pastor can counter it.
        it’s a fact that all amino acids combining takes a 10^130 chance of occurring, and that even a “simple” single cell organism is far more complex than the space shuttle.
        People have devoted their entire lives to crushing the theory of evolution, but the so called “free” press won’t even look at them and continue to dance at when that guy trump eats his steak well done.

        Click to access Atheistic%20EvolutionBW2-1.pdf

        Of course, there is little proof of WHICH god exists, but these “le epic atheists” going to beat up a straw-man of fundamentalist christian, using the bible, can easily be shown that no damage was done

  24. abang mohammad asfia says:

    ok.. you already giving all the proof you have.. now can i ask for another proof.. proof to us that healing miracles around the world is juast a lie.. a frau. Those who saw jesus or dreaming about jesus came to them and heal them and to their surprise, their sickness or diseases really gone!.. how is that?.. can you proof that they are liars?.. because i’m very confused right now.. thank you.

    • keith says:

      2 points , 1sthave you proof the things you claim actually happened 2nd sometimes things do happen i e people get better ,sometimes through the power of the mind (placebo effect ect ) and sometimes yes we have no explanation (yet) this is not a good reason to think it is a god

      • ben says:

        Point 1
        Luke 1:1-4
        1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

        Point 2
        Mark 5:25-29
        5 And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. 26 She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse. 27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, 28 because she thought, “If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed.” 29 Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.
        This event is also written down in Luke and Matthew

        Matthew 9:27-30
        27 As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”

        28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”

        “Yes, Lord,” they replied.

        29 Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored
        there are 38 more miracles written on this website all with references

    • Jon says:

      Abang you owe me £1 million. I just know you do. I can really feel it deep down. Now, I know you will not give me that money. Why? Because you do not owe it to me and I have no evidence to the contrary. If I said that an angel told me I still know you will not give me the money. Claims must be backed-up by evidence.

      If you claimed that you had been miraculously healed from cancer of the colon I would first want evidence that a trained, qualified, registered and licensed doctor had diagnosed you with colon cancer. Next, I would similarly seek evidence that you were now free of cancer. If you definitely had cancer but no longer had it my first thought would not be god cured you. I would expect a panel of medical experts to go through your medical records to determine what had happened. I know of no case where a pathology was known to exist and no longer does and that all possible natural causes for its cure have been completely excluded. In other words, there is not a single iota of evidence for the existence of faith healing or miraculous cures.

      Claims require evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No one is beholden to provide evidence (and it is evidence rather than proof) that faith healing is a sham. If you think you know of any miraculous cures of medically diagnosed and confirmed disease the burden of providing the evidence lies with you.

  25. Steve. says:

    ALL Religions are invented for two reasons and two reasons only. CONTROL and GREED. The Catholic Church is the largest, (not to mention richest) organisation on the face of the planet. Yet, the Vatican, has the lowest age of consent, (Which, by the way, is 12 and absolutely disgusting!) on said planet. There is no physical, solid, definitive proof from any religious background besides hearsay. Hearsay cannot be used as evidence in a court of law which is based on said hearsay. Control + Money = POWER. End of.

    • Kevminator says:

      AMEN Brother! What is lost on most, even the educated, is that not until basically the last 200-300 years, being literate was only allowed for the church and the nobility. Back then, you needed the church to tell you what to believe and what not to believe. The church ran everything and even told the nobility what to do, especially the royalty. Henry VIII recognized this and broke from the Vatican (Pope) and started the Anglican church (Catholic Lite) but still enforce the same policies and procedures as the Vatican to do what?!? CONTROL THE ILLITERATE MASSES! So much of the current bible has bee added, made up, changed to support the prevailing opinions of the times, and when that didn’t work, the clergy were out there telling the people what and how to believe to support the church agenda. Nothing has changed in modern times essentially. Even though most of the world is capable of reading (albeit mostly on a 5th grade level, hence the show “are you smarter than a 5th grader”), when it comes to that book, they would rather sit in pews and have some control freak who wants to tell you how to lead your life tell them what the book says and the lessons to be learned and followed. No wonder there is so much hypocrisy in christianity.

      • keith says:

        and very few actually research religion or christianity , or the origins of their holy books , or of their god

    • Jon says:

      Before my response I will say that I am an atheist so I am not making this reply as a Christian apologist. To make a rational argument you have to use facts. Taking you literally at your word I doubt if the laws of the State of the City of the Vatican mention an age of consent. If you used the word ‘Vatican’ to mean the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) then you are incorrect. The canon law of the RCC allows girls to marry at 14 and boys at 16. It mentions no age of consent specifically. That should not be judged against Western cultural mores. In some cultures marriage at that age is acceptable. The rules on minimum age for marriage stipulated by RCC. Their rules also says that episcopal conferences (national groupings of bishops) can lay down a higher minimum age and if the laws of the state give a higher minimum that age is to be followed by Catholics. To make an argument against religion that is factually in error is to play into their hands.

  26. Dave says:

    The bible as we know it is not the original text with all the gospels and text included. The manipulation of this Book was intentional to confound the followers and hide the the truth. This Book just like any other ancient spiritual/historical text can’t expect to speak to lur understandings today. But they speak to amazing truths of their day that still respnate to this day and the value of what they present is immeasurable. Your skepticism is well reasoned because the Bible has been manipulated & promoted to the benifit of Evil & Greed for as long as its existed. If you doubt that THEY wouldn’t control Christianity from the start then you obviously know little about the Truth. THEY as in those who worship Saturn, the Light Bearers, the Same people that control society & have shaped the modern world from Sumeria til today. 🕵 the watchers still watchin

    • keith says:

      have you considered that the bible was made up ? that no god exists ?

      • Ron says:

        Have you considered what brought order in the universe and things follow the natural law?
        What caused them to fall in place? Who established the natural law?
        Coincidence you would surely say. A blind man will not see the light even if it’s so close it could almost burn his nose.

      • keith says:

        natural law is eternal and the universe was ordered according to it ………………no god needed

      • Ken Morgan says:

        I agree .I was church goer for saw no evidence of conversion people just pretend,gay people stay gay ,I said the sinner prayer 10 times,baptist 4 times still me no new creation no holy spirit blah, blah

    • ben says:

      – even if the Bible we have today wasn’t the original, how would you know, do you have the original text to compare it with?
      – it would take a very committed person to manipulate every single Bible in the world for his or her evil greedy intentions
      I doubt you’ve actually read much of the Bible

      • Atheos says:

        Have you looked at any manuscripts?
        When you do you will see differences, not just word order either which is by far the most common difference. We can see where the text was manipulated to either promote a theology, counter a rival theology, or remove a contentious text. At best the earliest manuscripts we have are going to be 4th or 5th generation copies, and these are mostly ere scraps. So to take your point about not having the original manuscript to compare against, how can you be so certain that what you have now is ‘The Bible’ as originally given? Should it have 66 books? 73 books? 72 books? Up to 80 books? So we can safely say that the bible we have today does differ in places to some of our earliest manuscripts, and some of these differences do adversely impact the theology of the text. So it did indeed take some very committed individuals to deliberately and sometimes maliciously manipulate the text for their own evil or ‘well meaning’ intentions. If these malicious scribes had no qualms about changing texts that portrayed Jesus in a bad light or contradicted the theology of other parts of the text, then doesn’t that tell you just how little regard they had for truth? A truth that many people try their best to lives their lives by? A ‘truth’ that leaders like to use to control public opinion? If I can cause the religious to be outraged when I press religious buttons, just consider what an irreligious, unscrupulous politician or fake TV evangelist could achieve in order to sway public opinion.

  27. Metacrock says:

    why didn’t it post?

  28. Metacrock says:

    None of the four Gospels originated imn any of those places. They all originated in Jerusalem. There was a redaction process of written material going before Mark, Marks was not the first Gospel ever, it was first of the four canonical, it was also based upon prior writings.

    some think originated in Syria and some place Matthew there but more likely the UR mark was Jerusalem and the final edition of M ark was from syria.

    John was written in Jerusalem and the John community began there. Mark himself wound up in Alexandria but that does not mean he wrote his gospel there, or that he wrote it at all.

    • Goodgulf Wizard says:

      The Jesus story was made up by the group of Romans, Greeks and Herod family who wanted to kill off the nasty monotheistic religion that was so vile at the time.
      See if you can find Joseph Atwill – Caesar’s Messiah- the Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
      It gives a great idea about the myth of the new testament writing.

  29. Peace to everyone – as I have no conflict with anyone, nor any desire to instigate anything other than THOUGHT.

    From a completely objective standpoint, looking at a very large “swath” of human history, is it not evident that there actually is a “base” belief system – a very simple one at that – which is based on a single entity that is comprised of the entirety of all (the universe, et al.) and all of it’s “contents” (that’s “us” as well) – and that we’ve been given a single simple message and single simple directive – to achieve a “state of harmony” – that being: we should view everything with the knowledge that we are a part of it, and that we should love and respect all that lies within this “universe”, and that we are unequivocally equal…and that, through the course of time, this message, simple and straightforward, has been warped and twisted, reworded, miscommunicated and mutilated to engender power and control over the masses?

    From simply looking through a comparison of contradictions – and not only in “Abrahamic” literature – but “Vedic” literature as well – it consistently appears to be a case of a “simple and beautiful message” being corrupted (by ego and other forces) in such that the message, as intended, is completely lost.

    As well – and again, not to cause consternation amongst those that feel they’re “the only chosen ones” – if so many groups, throughout history, have thought themselves to be “the chosen ones”, doesn’t the collective contradiction dictate that there is validity in what I have just stated?

    Again, peace to everyone. Be well. Be safe.

    • keith herbert says:

      we may all be part of the universe, but no need to worship it lol

    • Sam Masseey says:

      Greetings Stephen,
      I like what you say above, mostly ! I do not deny a Creator, like a Jonhy Apple Seed. You speak of this universe, when there is
      more than we can count literally! I believe the people of this earth are decendants of murderers, rapists, homos, and other
      low life’s that has been discarded on this planet from other universes. I believe millions of other universes have planets with
      created life, and this is a prison planet. For you religious people that read this. An all knowing Mighty-One would not
      create many different races on one planet to kill each other to the last man, which will probably happen in the future. There
      may be a planet out there with knowledge beyond our comprehension, that creates all living things, and plants them on other
      planets. But us dummies are only decendants of criminals from other planets. That explains why there are different races
      on this planet. Get a good laugh!
      Sam Massey

    • Sam Massey says:

      Greetings Stephen,
      How do we know the Bible is not the base belief? It may have been written so condidictory, by stupid men? What you seem to think may be true, or you may be putting together a new religion, you can call it the Church of the State of Harmony.
      I do not think that a supposed all knowing Mighty-One would create different races to live on the same planet, and kill each other
      through out the millennia. This planet has a dog eat dog creation, the strong survive. There is no real love beteewn races. Only
      religion teaches this, we are living the political correct lie today.
      There has to be an answer to why there are different races on earth! I would guess that all races are decendants of murderers,
      rapists, thieves, and homosexuals, ect. There are millions of Universes, with who knows how many plants that has humans of
      all races, and colors. There may have been a family, or planet with unbelievable people with knowledge that can’t be surpassed.
      They may have been like Johny apple Seed! They may have created all living things, and put living things in other planets.
      When some of these created beings killed, raped, stole, or turned perverted, they may have been dropped off on this earth as prisoner, they may not believed in killing, and just got rid of the criminals here. I doubt that there was a creation here, and I doubt
      that male, female, and all races could so perfectly come from one cell. Just some thoughts.

      • keith herbert says:

        oh now we know where this is leading , to another religion . propagated without proof

      • LoanOfficer Six says:

        So, what you are saying is, Earth is just a galactic penal colony? a planetary Australia? G’day mate!

  30. Sam Massey says:

    What is the name of your God that is your father, your creator, and your savior? Is it YHWH pronounced YAHWEH, the Hebrew Mighty-One, or lesous, pronounced, ee-ay-sooce’ notice this is the Greek savior Zues that is changed ( translated ) to Jesus. There is only one father, one redeemer, one savior, that is in scripture. It is very clear that YHWH is all this in the Old Testament.
    But who cares, it is a lie ! The Bible is a cancer on those that believe in it, it
    sucks them dry of their money, and time.

  31. Nici says:

    Hello, Is this site is trying to free ppl of all faiths fom the tyranny of all religions as stated in your mission statement. As I browsed around it seems to just talk about Christianity Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States (I’m not sure the statistics in other countried.)Personally I’m It’s just my curiosity.. Thank You for your time, have a great day.

    • keith herbert says:

      unfortunately (for me anyway) my knowledge of other religions apart from Christianity is limited ,therefore ,apart from debunking the existence of any god it is hard to draw on specifics about the religion .

  32. It is okay not to believe any of it? It is okay to jump into a fire. Go ahead. No one has a gun to your head.

  33. nowayjose says:

    “Jesus’ own words PROVE the Bible is wrong.”

    If He didn’t exist, how could He speak?

    • MelC says:

      Good point, noway. Perhaps it should read “the words attributed to Jesus written years/decades after the fact by anonymous authors who were not eyewitnesses, appearing in copies (of copies, of copies) of ancient manuscripts, many just fragments, and riddled with errors, omissions and contradictions.”

  34. nowayjose says:

    “So you have no problems sending telepathic messages to a jewish ghost…” Supreme Truthsayer

    A Jewish ghost? You are referring to whom?

  35. So far, you’ve got nothing right. We travel to the ends of the earth for Him. You’ve been given the message and still defy God, why would others perfectly follow it/HIm?

  36. Sam Massey says:

    Read about Ahaz sacrificing his son, son sacrifice is Baal worship, check it out on make a comment!

      • Sam Massey says:

        My point? Come on! you should be able to see that the N. T. Sacrifice is
        also Baal worship. The whole of the Bible is mans control, it is not inspired !
        Notice what we read.
        Jer.8:8, How do we say, we are wise, and the law of YHWH is with us?
        Lo, the false pen of the scribes have falsified them, and written them wrong.

  37. Iain Stewart says:

    Maybe we need to make a distinction between ‘Jesus’ and ‘Christ’. The first guy was someone I would really enjoy having a beer with … the second guy … well, to be honest seems fabricated to bolster the cause of a Messianic religion. The Jefferson Bible makes this point. Maybe, just maybe, we are all ‘God’s Bairns’ as we say in Scotland, and the God we seek is the one that is embedded in our genes and in the genes of all living things and not that angry guy in the sky. Maybe we’d all behave a lot better by embracing our fellow travelers on planet Earth and quit arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. If we all possess some of the divine within us, then does it matter whether one is Christian, Buddhist, Moslem, Hindu or Atheist? Just being human may well be the greatest gift but the biggest challenge we all have.

    • nowayjose says:

      “Maybe we need to make a distinction between ‘Jesus’ and ‘Christ’. The first guy was someone I would really enjoy having a beer with …”

      How do you make that distinction?

    • Sam Massey says:

      You try to make all religions imbraceable. There is no divine within us, we are
      just like all living things, we are born, we multiply, we die. For those that believe in the Bible, notice John 14:13-14, This scripture is a promise!

      I will now pray, I ask in the name of YHWH, and Jesus, and Yeshua, and Allah, that I will die before sun down today. I ask in the name of Jesus, I ask
      In the Name of YHWH, I ask in the name of Yeshua, I ask in the Name of Allah. So be it. So how many think I will be here after sundown?
      Sam Massey

      • Sam Massey says:

        It is 9:30 PM my life was not taken because John 14:13-14, is not truth! YHWH, Yeshua, Jesus, and Allah is just liars. Nothing but false gods.

      • ben says:

        note how the Bible verse says “that the Father may be glorified”
        what part of killing you will glorify him?

    • MelC says:

      You make some good points, Iain. “Fabricated” could also be termed “plagiarized” (from the similar writings pre-dating what eventually became the Bible). If there’s anything “eternal” about we humans, it would be DNA, not the illusion of ourselves and our reality created in our Minds. This will cease to exist when our brains stop functioning. My expectation is that there are dimensions beyond the three that we inhabit that are beyond our perception/comprehension. Creating imaginary deities with their corresponding stories is a weak and failed attempt by humans to explain the unexplainable (and give power and control to those who can communicate directly with their deities).

      • The Truth is the one verse (Revelation 12:9) in the Bible none, no, not one of this world believe . . . and added within the Bible is reason why even the greatest scholars have zero spiritual knowledge (Job 15:15-16, Psalms 14:2-3, Romans 3:10-13); therefore we live within a world of man-made religions not only lacking truth, but filled with corruption while sucking money from billions that have been blinded by the God of this world.

        Supreme Truthsayer said:
        What is wrong with this site.
        Show me where I am wrong and I will change it.

        Everything is wrong with this site just as everything is wrong with this world of Christian frauds and religious hypocrites in all human beliefs accompanied with their extreme selfishness; thus it’s human pride mixed with greed and this world of other Gods which has brought Christian separation (Isaiah 59:2) from the God and Christ they worship through words only with nothing added — and myself at 61 with almost 30 years private study while never becoming a church member — through this past decade becoming totally disassociated with this world by seeking my path from Yehovah (Proverbs 3:5-6) in the 3rd heaven — thus am not of this world as written in John 15:18-21 which are foolish words to all the natural minds of this world. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide mislead Christianity according to the Bible.

  38. zathus says:

    So an interesting new argument has arisen, specifically from regressive leftists defending Islam. The argument is that we are taking religious texts literally, that the problem is with fundamentalist AKA ISIS who interpret the texts as literal and that Fundamentalist Atheists(lol) who take religious texts literally are not looking at historical context or viewing the stories a parables meant to teach a moral lesson,but not be literally true.

    Fundamentalists(Atheist and Theist) don’t understand that “A lack of literacy means that people like Fundamentalists are unable to understand the context of imperative-tense dialogue between characters in sacred book, and can thus not distinguish between commands from one character to another character (or group thereof) in a book and commands to the narrator of a book to the reader of the book. This is one of the core reasons that people advise people of other faiths (or non-faiths) to read the book in context.”

    So basically the argument arose from a post saying that Fundamentalist nutjobs are not a part of any religion that they claim, because they don’t follow the core set of values that those who institutionalized the book wrote. So my question is as an Atheist am I merely taking these books completely out of context? Thoughts on this?

    • Spiritual understanding can only come from not of this world, and that is because how can hidden mysteries be given by any on this earth led by their own God-given human spirit lacking unknown spiritual understanding? Concerning you being Atheist, its no different than over two billion Christians being hearers only, rather than doers of their book of instruction known as the Holy Bible with many mistranslated flaws; and just their actions I have experienced using James 2:14-17 show just how dead their faith truly is; therefore I can easily see why non believers would not want to become as one of them. Aside from the few words I have spoken — there is a spiritual side only those predestined and called out of this world can understand — thus to argue, push, shove, or force is something for only those ignorant — or has human rule been good for our dying civilization with nothing but the most gruesome timesoftroubles lying ahead for all on this planet earth? offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

  39. Stephen says:

    It seems that when a person is presented with a statement that threatens his/her christian belief, they go through a very long winded litany of words and quotes and such to defend their position. I’d assume that if someone states something that someone else does not believe it then so be it. Christians don’t believe that Islamic is correct, or Jews are correct, or Krishna’s are correct so why fight so hard with words, far too many at times, and not be able to include actual facts, not facts by friendly sources, but just facts. I believe it shows a weakness.
    God is my father my creator and my savior, ‘his words’. I just can’t turn my back on him.

    • Sam Massey says:

      Who is this God you call your father, creator, and savior? You aught to realize all Gods are idols ! If you are referring to
      YHWH the Father, scriptural, you are right. Isa.63:16, Isa.64:8, If you are referring to the false name Je-sus, you believe
      in a supposed being born a bastard. People that read the false N. T. read it with a closed mind. Notice Matt.1:18, Mariam as
      espoused to Joseph….Notice Matt.1:19, Joseph her husband… Notice Matt. 1:20, Mariam thy wife…
      Be advised no one can have sexual relations with Mariam because she is espoused. Further, she can not be impergnated
      Because she is married to Joseph, and Mariam is Joseph’s wife! Look, read the scriptures above. These are not my words,
      these words are in Matt. 1:18-19-20. I do not have to argue this, just open your eyes, and read. Mariam was a virgin, but she was also married. Let’s go to the law of the virgin, the law that protects a virgin that is married.
      Deut.22:23-24, If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man ( or anything else ) ( spirit ) find her in a city, and lie with her; ( impregnate ) Then ye shall bring them both out to the city gate of the city, and you shall stone them
      with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, ( or spirit ) because he ath humbled
      his neighbor’s wife: so you will put away evil from among you.
      This wicked supposed act that was supposed to have happen by the supposed Holy Spirit is a lie ! Be advised that the Most High
      Father will not break His own law, Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery.

      • LoanOfficer Six says:

        Sam Massey, do I really need to point out your flagrant error?

        Deut.22:23-24, If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man ( or anything else ) ( spirit ) find her in a city, and lie with her; ( impregnate ) Then ye shall bring them both out to the city gate of the city, and you shall stone them.

        You obviously ADDED “( or anything else) ( spirit )” to this verse, which changes the entire meaning. The verse never included (or anything else) or even (spirit), so it obviously speaks of infidelity of a wife with a MAN not her spouse. If you wanted to prove that God broke His own law then you have failed miserably with this childish ADDITION into a verse to completely change its original meaning.

    • MelC says:

      Fighting with words is one thing Stephen, but millions of people have been, and continue to be, slaughtered and abused in the name of religion, certainly including the Abrahamic Big Three. Unfortunately, “believers”, particularly fundamentalists, don’t take the “so be it” approach and will vehemently and violently defend their beliefs no matter how preposterous, when challenged. The world would be far better off without any religions.

      I assume you’re referring to the Christian God as your creator. Without knowing anything about you, I’ll go out on a limb and guess that you were born into a Christian culture, and probably family. Had you been born in the Middle East, you would probably be Muslim. If born in India, you would probably be a Hindu or in Bhutan, a Buddhist. This is true for the bulk of religious believers. Based on the stunning lack of evidence for the various deities, it’s likely they’re all wrong.

    • Just in the first sentence you wrote describes a world of division. There is over 30,000 different Christian denominations, and when all beliefs worldwide have been added — all that remains is a planets 7.3 billion being as oil and water which can never be mixed. So how can any on this earth ever learn truth within a world led by the father of lies all believe, worship, and follow when all they can see is themselves as right? What I have learned well is to never put any trust in man – unless spiritually guided and spiritually discerned through knowledge supplied from our Father Yehovah; I have also learned well to never expect even a crumb from this world of Christianity — because all they know is who they see in the mirror. offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

    • Kevminator says:

      “…so why fight so hard with words, far too many at times, and not be able to include actual facts, not facts by friendly sources, but just facts.”

      Hey Stephen, you seem to be trying to make a point here. May I ask what you are trying to say? As somebody once told me, “You are entitled to the facts, but not entitled to your own set of facts.” What are yours? Let’s have an open and real discussion. To me, your statement indicates that you have your own set of facts. Put them out on the table to discuss. Let’s have a respectable discussion about actual evidence and facts. Not what is written in a book translated too many times to be remotely accurate to the original text, that by all practical measures was only as close as 30-40 years (two generations) after a crucifixion occurred?

      • ben says:

        ‘written in a book translated too many times to be remotely accurate to the original text’
        translated from hebrew (old testament) and greek (new testament), straight to english

        the Bible was also written over a long period of time by about 40 people, not 30-40 years after the crucifixion and written by one person

  40. mike mcginnis says:

    I’m new to this site. The amount of research involved by the sites author is very impressive. I’m an old guy with a whole lot of questions and very few answers. I’m in my mid 70s. Born and raised by a strict Catholic mother. I was baptized, and Confirmed in the Catholic church. I was an altar boy, for a very short time. My priest was Father Regan, the most ornery, miserable S.O.B. that ever walked the earth. He was the catalyst that started me questioning; first my catholic beliefs, and later all religions. Some have suggested that if it had not been for Father Regan “I would be a practicing Catholic in good standing” Sorry, no sale. I find comfort in logic and critical thinking and above all consider myself a skeptic I started questioning the myriad of fanciful stories not only from the Bibles, but from the world around me. People quickly pass on some of the most idiotic stories, via the internet. Any fool with a keyboard and access to the internet can pound out any crap they want. Someone will invariably forward it and so on. Joseph Goebbels said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”; sad but true. Keep up the good work.

    • tomschaber says:

      Yep, Mike, you are so right. Religious folk use deductive reasoning (Jesus was reincarnated), then find “facts” to prove it.

    • nowayjose says:

      when you get desperate enough, reach out to him and he will be there for you.

      • MelC says:

        People who are desperate to find purpose and meaning in their lives often “reach out” and accept beliefs, particularly those commonly held, no matter how preposterous.
        Is it better to accept untruths/lies that make us feel happy and fulfilled, or the uneasiness of admitting we cannot comprehend what’s beyond our 3 dimensional human perception? Is it a wise man or a fool who believes without proof or evidence?

    • Because I am also new to this site – as only a quick pass through – and in my 60s — I have one difference in my beliefs that all worldly people lack; and that is putting zero trust in anything humans teach via their human spirit given to all by our creator — However, once a person or chosen individual becomes no longer of this world (John 15:18-21) through complete disassociation of this world of religions, beliefs, doctrines, worldly ways, and traditions through only looking to our Father always — through His Spirit of Truth, and by His direction — only genuine spiritual truth can be known through discernment. Look at what I just spoke like this; out of the countless beliefs on this planet with them all being right in their own religion/belief with everyone else wrong – who is right? Now if we just take the words of only one verse in Revelation 12:9 — with belief through our faith — out of the 31,102 verses in the KJV — right at that point in our life, we have become different simply because we believe this entire world has been deceived by Satan as the God of this world — and that deception has included our own selves, and unless we can take our minds off of ourselves, this world of shepherds, scholars, philosophy, belief or way through only looking to Yehovah for our direction — no human of this world can ever learn truth; yet all will say that they are the truth — when in truth — being just another lie out of billions.

      I have 25 years of private Bible study, never been a church member — and since 2007 have learned to live a life while learning to place zero trust in man, Christian frauds, or religious hypocrites while experiencing how Christians are truly some of the most selfish people on this earth; therefore with 15 websites, a 474 page published book, and only a life on spiritual chains for devotion — I have not one brother, sister, or even a friend as the biblical walk all have been commanded rather than only the talk Christians are all so good at just as written in James 1:22-25, and 2:14-17 being words Christians totally ignore; and the 9 years of basic need my wife and I have been living with Christians being the the last to care in any way whatsoever — has well shown their true colors they all shall be judged by. offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide mislead Christianity according to the Bible.

      • Age has never been a qualifier for the clarity or capacity to reason. In other words, not a good argument to backup any type of reasoning. I went to a Catholic University. My passion was to argue with monks that had multiple PhD’s. Boy, do I hate religion! Just as much as I hate morons that make science one ( religion that is!). The KJV is probably one of the worst bible to quote from. Oh yeah there still others much more batter. (Trying to kill the English language- or what is left of it). Keep a sense of humor is my motto.
        Do I believe in “The Scriptures”? You bet your booties. In the Bible not so much! Think of the Bible and I think of Constantine. Do I need to say more!
        The Bible has two testament. The Scriptures do not. Like you I don’t go to church, synagogue and you will never find me in a mosque. Too well read to fall for that one. AND yes I have read the Qumran & Hadith. Rather read Mein Kampf. At least I know where he was coming from! Now let me get down from my soap box and let another idiot take my place. Yes, I have great self esteem.

    • MelC says:

      Well said, mike!! Love the quote. It is truly stunning what we humans will believe without evidence or rational thought in order to explain the unexplainable.

    • When any has only their human mind to direct; all that remains is hidden darkness revealed by a false light which makes all things acceptable; when in truth — they have none spiritually speaking. What you question being Catholic and other religions shows your wisdom; and Revelation 18:4 tells this entire world of believers being a part of any man made religion to come out of her; but none, no, not one worldly person caught up in worldly ways, doctrines, or traditions believes instruction from whom their lips worship. You are also very correct on this world of fools loose on their keyboards — and this world of fools believing lies because truth is not yet known within our very deceived and misled human race — so says the Bible through words not believed. offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

  41. Switch says:

    Love the website, and appreciate the effort that went into creating it. Especially at this moment in history, when “religious belief” is the root cause of so much violence, we simply cannot tolerate the irrational “religious beliefs” any longer. Religious belief must be subject to the same scrutiny and scientific analysis as everything else. It is beyond time that we evolve as a species to the point where everyone’s “faith” is subject to rational discourse, and “devote faith” is regarded as a mental illness.

    • Will says:

      Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Too many pastors are coming out like dictators, full of hate, as opposed to pious individuals. There people believe such inflammatory and false craps as male superiority, jews are evil, all muslims must die, Obama is a non-native Kenyan… the list goes onward.

    • There is but only one main ingredient needed for our entire human race beginning at the top, inside out, and through all human actions all the way to the bottom and beneath called the one word lacking in all humanity being love. Look at our civilization with side blinders removed; and all that can be seen is the rivers of shed blood ever since our beginning, and when today’s human trafficking as a billion dollar slave trade has been viewed, this world of child abuse, crime, murder, rape, diseases, rebel violence, so-called-wars, corrupt governments, corrupt religions, bad businesses, bad banking, bad medical, and just a world overflowing with nothing good, right, or proper for our human race — it’s all because humans have never been able to rule humans; thus comes the New World Order bringing the complete downfall of human rule for all eternity through a new kingdom ruled through the laws of out creator based on love — being something humans lack, especially Christianity having the coldest and most selfish hearts through their lip love with never anything added — such as sparing a crumb for another in need. offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

  42. Geek says:

    Has any one read N.T. Whrite’s The resurrection of the Son Of God? I may have gotten his last name wrong.

  43. Metacrock says:

    I say it’s not so, I say I say….

  44. jbsptfn says:

    Golly gee willikers!!! This site is as intellectual as Marshall Brain’s Why Won’t God Heal Amputees nonsense.

    • Please explain to us why Marshall Brain’s “Why Won’t God Heal Amputees” is nonsense. Or better, explain why your God won’t heal amputees. Or explain why Mark 16:18 “…they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover” never seems to actually work.

      “Golly gee willikers” who are you Mr. Intellectual. What counts as intellectual in your eyes? Which one of the Truths presented here can you refute with your intellectual evidence? Be my guest.

    • Switch says:

      Sometimes, the effort to enlighten the scared and delusional masses is akin to teaching my dog to speak English … He just lacks the mental and intellectual acumen to get there.

      • jbsptfn says:

        Nice choice of words to use against believers (calling their Christian beliefs delusional). I love how Atheists always seem to use that.

      • to Jbsptfn..

        So you have no problems sending telepathic messages to a jewish ghost telling him you accept him as your master because you need him to remove the magical curse that he put on you because a woman made from the rib of her partner ate a magical piece of fruit that a talking snake told her to eat?

        Really? No problem? And you don’t consider anyone who believes that to be delusional? That right there makes you delusional.

        How do you distinguish between fairy tales and reality if you don’t recognize that as nonsense?

        Any and all that believe in the supernatural are delusional, not just christians. You are not alone in your delusion.

      • Fact is this world of Christianity will be sent such strong delusion that they will believe a lie — 2 Thessalonians 2:11 — and sadly a dog has a much better chance to learn than this world ob blinded hypocrites. Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4 all say we are to live by every word of YHVH. 2 Timothy says study to show thyself approved, and 1 Thessalonians 5:21 directs us to prove all things; yet billions of so-called Christians take part in this world’s greatest pagan holiday known as Christmas along with many other unwritten holidays worldwide; and when it comes down to obedience, love for others, good deed, compassion or empathy is something this world of loving Christians not only lack, but have lifted themselves above all the have-nots as if being superior, better than though, and very self-righteous while in truth — singing hymns, waving their arms, plenty of tears — while pissing on any lacking just basic survival needs like some Kraft dinners. . . and I have a decade of experience while creating 15 free websites, a thousand writings, 474 page published book in 2012 titled ‘Message For This Entire Human Race’ which never sold — and have had hundreds of thousands of views on my many writings — yet not one brother, sister, or preacher that could care less about any but themselves — no wonder this world is filled with non believers! offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

      • The Village Idiot says:

        Look at the heading… It says “Our Truth”. And that is what it is; the “Supreme TruthSayer” kind of truth. Isn’t that funny! Guys don’t waste your time the guy is no longer manning the site. And don’t waste your breath with such an idiot anyway. Take it from an expert like me…

        Signed by: The Village Idiot

  45. Graham says:

    Why not look at the ancient sumarians or egyptians for their perspective on religion, since they are the ones with the original deluge story and for at least 2000 years Egypt put it’s greatest minds to work, not on gadgets, but working out what happens when we die.

    If anyone here is truly seeking truth I urge you all to watch and read the work of Tom Campbell a physicist who has written my big TOE (Theory of everything) and for ancient knowledge, including the evidence for a lost advanced civilization Graham Hancock. There are many hours worth on youtube and will leave you feeling a bit more enlightened.

    Graham Hancock recently caused a bit of a storm by having a video banned from TED Talks, which he has successfully been able to get rebuked and is now available to be enjoyed again 🙂

    Love always everyone, if every person could just agree not to kill anyone else there would be no armies and people would have to start talking.

    • Graham, your words mean well; however, when you speak this through written words — “If anyone here is truly seeking truth I urge you all to watch and read the work of Tom Campbell a physicist who has written my big TOE (Theory of everything) and for ancient knowledge, including the evidence for a lost advanced civilization Graham Hancock. There are many hours worth on youtube and will leave you feeling a bit more enlightened.” — Actual spiritual enlightenment cannot ever be found even if the IQ of any involved is 145 or extremely intelligent through any non spiritual subject; and 1 Corinthians chapters 1 & 2 along with instruction all through the Bible such as Proverbs 2:1-6 and 3:5-6 never followed by this world of Christians reveal why. In other words if any were to have a question regarding biblical truth, where can they get the only true answer? Their own mind? Human minds worldwide? Only our Father has the answer for hidden mysteries, and only reveals them to those called if it be His will. offers a good choice being many individual reads on various subjects concerning the major mess America and our entire world civilization is truly in; and includes worldwide misled Christianity according to the Bible.

  46. ashik mondol says: are you?i love your
    church.your church is
    nice.Jesus,God. i love Jesus.Jesus is
    my life.i went to start your church
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  47. JJ says:

    Attended Christian church yesterday, first time in a while. Was shown a video of an Aboriginal woman who has embraced Christianity and was somewhat derisive towards her family for “thanking the Ancestors” for good luck in hunting, while she thanked “Yahweh”. I spoke with the young minister afterwards and told him that disturbed me. There was a board out in the lobby where we were told to write anything “What Would Jesus UNDO”… I was tempted to write “Jesus would undo religions fighting over who was right.” I asked the minister to consider “Do some religions try to Trademark God?” I just do NOT believe the precepts of Christianity, as outlined by Paul. If anything, I am Gnostic in my thinking when considering Christianity. Revere the historical Jesus, yes. To the extent I believe he existed, yes, I can get behind his teachings. Believe in the nonsensical Christianity that has been built up around him in the last 2000 plus years? No. Believe in a Source? Yes. Believe in one person’s interpretation of what that Source is? No. There should be as many religions as there are people, in my opinion.

    • nowayjose says:

      I just do NOT believe the precepts of Christianity, as outlined by Paul.

      How about any of the others who outlined the precepts of Christianity? To what extent do you believe He existed and upon what specifically do you base your faith?

  48. The problem is several people have read erroneous criticism of the Bible. I see several of those “hearsay” issues repeated here. A good source is and These offer historical and educated critiques and not apologetics or guesswork.

    • jbsptfn says:

      I know for a fact that the Jesus Never Existed site is hogwash:

      • You “know for a fact”? Please enlighten us. What is the fact that you know that makes the Jesus Never Existed site hogwash?

      • jbsptfn says:

        I have read it. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Look at JP’s Tektoonics link I sent.

        Golly gee willikers!!! I did read JP’s Tektoonics piece. Spin, spin, spin, unbelievably lame excuses and “explanations”.

        Forget about JP, why don’t you tell me why Mark 16:18 “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover” never, ever happens the way Jesus promises. There is no wiggle room in this verse. Jesus promises three specific things that will happen to “them that believe”.

        How about you taking a swig of bleach – it won’t hurt you.

        You still have to explain your statement “I know for a fact”. What is the fact? Share it with us.

    • Don Brooks says:
      This is a great site that answers a lot of questions about Jesus. Highly recommend it if you want to know the Truth!!

  49. I was a member of a strictly fundamentalist assembly – we kept the faith of the Apostles in the Book of Acts – Sabbath, High Days, dietary laws, etc., and I did extensive study to find the Bible is full of contradictions, it is not written by whom is credited, the scribes Ezra and Nehemiah wrote most of Torah, “Jesus” is a myth based on Dionysus and much more. I tried to explain to Christians, but gave up. I find my fellowship now with those who share my beliefs.

  50. gabe says:

    Just got passed all the guilt of questioning religion in the last year and thought I would share my newbie thoughts… just started blogging and here is one of my two posts thus far… feedback?

  51. keith says:

    I am a little worried that the site is called the church of truth as it gives the impression it is a religion which it is not
    it is only the rejection of things not proved
    i hope we are all free thinkers and have opinions that differ on many things
    with just one thing in common
    and the ability to discuss anything of interest

    • Will says:

      I love the “Church of Truth site because of the impression it is a religion. I find great joy in telling Christian or religious folks that, “I have gone back to church, (really an antitheist) the Church of Truth.” “Check us out on the internet.!” I hope no one has a sh+t hemorhage. teh-hee

    • nowayjose says:

      “…it is only the rejection of things not proved…”

      No. It accepts Jesus never lived.

  52. keith says:

    i have just come across this site ,sorry no new evidence ,however I would like to see this site better advertised ,I was a christian for 50 years until I actually read the bible and found out it talked of an evil god .who on investigation does not exist ,nor is it likely any other god exists
    may i point out that the Randi foundation offered $1000,000 years ago to anyone with any proof of magic or anything supernatural ,and although many have tied the money is still waiting ,I don’t know if you have said you would change your mind given proof ,I hope so as that’s fair ,I will join with you and all other atheists and await the proof ,but I won’t hold my breath

    • tomschaber says:

      Of course I would change my mind if given proof. As soon as God stops giving children birth defects and retroactively cures all whom he gave birth defects and as soon as all people in slavery are freed (especially the child sex slaves) and as soon as priests quit sodomizing young men and as soon as the Shiites and Sunnis stop killing each other and others over who has the correct version of god, then that will be proof enough for me. I WILL believe! Praise God!

      Oh wait… I’m going to add that God needs to eliminate all forms of disease…hmm too much, maybe just Typhoid, Malaria, all Cancers and just a few others. Then I WILL believe! Praise God!

      Oh…. wait. I forgot about mental illness. Yep.. he’s got to eliminate all forms of mental disease too. Then I WILL believe. Praise God.

      Oh wait… there must be some other things that God needs to fix before I believe. Why don’t you all help me by adding to the list of things God needs to fix before we believe.

      OH my gosh – how could I have left out a major source of misery in this world? So called “natural disasters” but you all know that the all powerful God is in charge of all things “natural” so I have to add the elimination of natural disasters to my list of things that God has to fix before I have sufficient proof that he/she/it exists and is in control.

      I don’t think I can bring myself to say Praise God anymore. Instead I’ll just say “Come on God, just do half of the things you should be doing, as outlined above, and maybe I’ll believe”.

      Any questions?

      • keith says:

        amen……….oops couldn’t think of anything more apt ,full agreement here

      • nowayjose says:

        Jesus was tempted to feel the same way. “My God. My God! Where did you go?” If you’ve never seen a man crucified, you may not understand how excruciating it is. Drowning, slowly, in one’s own blood, is rough. But, that wasn’t the roughest part, by any means. Bearing inside His own body the sin of the entire world, for all time, was enough suffering to cause Him to question everything He believed. Nevertheless, He followed through and remained pinned to some boards, and died all bloody, bruised, beaten (for what? What had He done?) and rose from the dead.

        He didn’t come to change the events in our lives that create pain. He came to set us free from the misery of being separated from Him. If His goal was to heal everyone, He failed. He healed in part to establish Who and What He was and is. If it’s a miracle you demand first, you probably won’t find Him. If you long to know Him, He can perform miracles in and for you that will overwhelm you.

        It is up to you. Christians can explain what happened to them, but, if you think it’s somehow b.s. or a big joke, go right ahead. It makes no difference to those who love Him, except that we fear you will lose out on the greatest thing that can possibly happen to a human being. I’m not selling drugs. I have no money invested in the outcome. I have a heart. If my heart doesn’t reach yours, that is okay. Best to you and yours, sincerely.

    • You went 50 years without actually, you know, reading the bible? That explains why you would be attracted to a group like this, all right.

      And no atheist would change their mind if proof was presented. They would just find ways to attack the proof. Fact.

      • tomschaber says:


        Did you not read what I said it would take to change my mind? Do you think that if those things happened I would still claim there is no God? I would believe in God if any of those things (no more disease or no more mental illness or no more natural disasters or no more slavery or no more rape or ….. oh, I could go on and on. Just any one of those and I will praise God.

        What is your irrefutable proof of a loving, merciful, just, benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent, loving, good, gracious God?

      • keith says:

        i’m afraid you don’t understand what atheists are about ,free thinking that means the ability to change our minds should proof be forthcomming ,i recently changed my mind on bible translation i does new appear the new world translation ,along with the n a b are the better translations ,however that doesnt detract from the fact the originals were made up

      • MelC says:

        There are no “originals” of the four Gospels, which are at the heart of Christianity. Extant manuscripts are copies, of copies, of copies…. and are full of errors and contradictions when compared to one another.

  53. remanandhra says:

    I must say, quite impressive effort put into one place. I appreciate your struggle.

  54. Its enlightening to see that someone is finally uncovering the contradictions depicted through out The Bible. Finally someone with the Intelligence to Call out The reasons the Bible was written in the first place, Constantine wanted to rule Rome and the world with Religion and his Army, This was his way of controlling the lands he conquered. People are still under the rule of the Roman Catholic Church and they are too IGNORANT to know it. I’m sickened.

    • Kevin says:

      And after the fall of the roman empire in the west, Alfred, king of the franks, at that time a barbaric, pagan, sadist and murderer, became a christian and continued on in the name of christianity, instead of his former beliefs. Organized religion was created a couple of millenia ago to subjugate and control the illiterate masses. Unfortunately, drilled into the psyche of society, even with the world mostly literate, it will be another few millenia, if ever, before humankind is released from its grip.

    • Sam Massey says:

      You don’t seem to realize that you live your life by Rome’s rules! Your work hours are guided by Rome, your holidays. You
      use their calander, because the whole world does.

  55. Tim says:

    Truthsayer, you have clearly put a lot of thought into this site. Sad. I am enjoying the useful parts of your site but rejecting most of it.

    I do the same with the Bible. I must ask, do you not find at least the beatitudes, the 23rd Psalm, or the beautiful description of love by Paul in Corrinthians 13 worthwhile? I sure do.

    • The entire if not most of the Book of Psalms was written by the Poet William Shakespeare.. Why would on not find it prolific. People are so gullible.

      • What is called the “Old Testament” or Tanakh in Judaism, was compiled by the scribes Ezra and Nehemiah circa 500 BCE Psalms is from the section “The Writings,” most of which are much later than assumed. Several books in the writings come from around 300 BCE. The first English translation was by John Wycliffe and embellished by William Tyndale, who was executed for his work. Tyndale’s translation served as the basis of the King James Bible, complete with the redactions of Desiderius Erasmus. Shakespeare was believed to be one of the writers of the new translation.

    • tomschaber says:

      You cherry pick a few passages that on the face appear to be pleasant but when put in the context of the whole bible, are mere pleasantries in the multitude of evil that is the bible.

      The ideas expressed in the beatitudes were hundreds of years old at the time Jesus allegedly spoke them, if indeed he did speak them. I say that because the first quoted words of Jesus are found in Mark1:17 “And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.”

      Those words were written by a non-witness at least 40, that’s four zero, forty years after they were allegedly spoken. How do we even know that Jesus actually said, let alone originated the beatitudes? How do we know they were not inserted into Matthew by someone hoping to improve Jesus’ image. After all Jesus also said “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Mat 10:34 and even worse… “For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.” – Matthew 10.35,36

      With those contradictory thoughts from Jesus, I find it hard to have much faith that the beatitudes were something Jesus really embraced.

      Re: 23 Psalm: “…I will fear no evil: for thou art with me…” Tell that to the 12 year old girls who are being raped and sold into slavery. This 23rd Psalm is from the book of Psalms that delights in dashing the babies of mine enemies upon the rocks Psalms 137:9. Do you love that Psalm too?

      I can’t find a beautiful description of love in Corinthians but if it was spoken by Paul, it isn’t worth the paper it was written on. I have a low opinion of Paul. He said whatever suited his purpose for the occasion. To wit… he told his followers that Jesus would reappear in their lifetimes and that they should forsake everything and prepare for the second coming. Never happened. Paul lied. Paul is a liar. Paul could never be admitted to the Church of Truth!

      Any more questions?

      • nowayjose says:

        “The ideas expressed in the beatitudes were hundreds of years old at the time Jesus allegedly spoke them, if indeed he did speak them.”

        You say that based on what information? Specifically, where were the exact same ideas expressed hundreds of years before Jesus spoke the beatitudes and by whom, in particular?

        For example, who expressed this idea and when? “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.” And this? “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and celebrate, because great is your reward in heaven; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets before you.…”

  56. rapturesite says:

    How do I join this? I mean be a part of this Church? Lol I know a lot of religious dogma & I study ancient history. I could be an asset to your site.

    ☆ Spreading the real truth about how the Bible is an astrotheological, Mythical, allegorical, spiritual motif. Not actual events. The early Church altered the original teachings of the Gnostics & took much of other concepts from pagan cults. They made a syncretism with trying to make Jesus a historical figure, when in fact there’s no contemporary evidence for him. He’s just another anthropomorphized, personified Sun deity. Before Christianity was Judea Gnosticism & much of all religions were influenced by Egyptian beliefs. The Church embellished upon scriptures & everything else was Heretical but actually the original teachings & Rome burned the library of Alexandria, Egypt as well as many other writings to hide the truth. Oh & they burned people. Lol all in the name of Yahweh or Jehovah. Oh & Hitler had Faith too & killed for the Lord.

    ~ Rapture ~

  57. V1ct0r1996 says:

    This site needs to be taken down, and you need to stop telling everyone to ignore all the Christian and Jewish apologetics as they are liars and trying to defend their bloody faith, which is not true. Expert Christian and Jewish apologetics are defending their faith for a GOOD reason.

    • republibot3 says:

      Yeah, I’m disappointed by this site as well. I’m not going to say the guy is a fool, he obviously put a lot of work into it, and he obviously really believes it, but it *IS* a pretty sophomoric effort. It claims to work against the Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition, but ignores Islam entirely. His arguments are not universally wrong, but they all lack depth. I mean, if you were going to do a critique on “The Odyssey,”or “Caesar’s Gallic Wars,” you wouldn’t just say “This contradicts this,” and stop there. You’d go into an explanation about why the conflict is there, how it likely happened, what it likely means (Two different versions of the myth conflated? Perhaps Caesar was covering his ass about something? Etc), you wouldn’t just say “Well, this one thing is wrong, so the whole thing is useless, nyah nyah nyah.” That’s just poor scholarship, both from a secular and a religious basis.

      And in the end, who cares if Peggy Sue has an imaginary friend or not? If it makes her feel better when her mom is having surgery, what of it? If talking to it helps her focus her thoughts, what of it? If it frees her from the crippling existential dread and meaninglessness that many people are not built to handle, and gives her a sense of purpose, then what of it? If it helps her meet her eventual death with calm peace, what of it? Whether or not God exists, how is ANY of that a bad thing?

      So the second intellectual flaw of this site is “if it’s worthless to me, it’s worthless to everyone, and should be abolished / if it’s important to me, then it should be important to everyone, and opposing opinions should be banned.”

      I dunno. I was intrigued when I got here, but I’m greatly disappointed. Hopefully the author will fix these problems and grow up a little, but the site seems semi-abandoned, so I doubt it.

      I think I’m gonna’ un-subscribe. It’s not really worth my time.

    • tomschaber says:

      “… needs to be taken down”? Why? What about the ISIS sites that encourage all manner of depravity?
      There is no such thing as “Expert Christian and Jewish apologetics” – they are not experts in any sense of the word.
      Show me where anything said on this website is wrong and I will change it.

      • brain says:

        “The Bible is wrong: There is no evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible. The Truth”

        the testimony of Flavius Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian who was a Pharisee. He referred to Jesus Christ in the book Jewish Antiquities. Although some doubt the authenticity of the first reference where Josephus mentioned Jesus as the Messiah, Professor Louis H. Feldman of Yeshiva University says that few have doubted the genuineness of the second reference. There Josephus said: “[Ananus the high priest] convened the judges of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.” (Jewish Antiquities, XX, 200) Yes, a Pharisee, a member of the sect many of whose adherents were avowed enemies of Jesus, acknowledged the existence of “James, the brother of Jesus.”
        The influence of Jesus’ existence was felt through the activities of his followers. When the apostle Paul was imprisoned in Rome about 59 C.E., the principal men of the Jews told him: “As regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.” (Acts 28:17-22) They called Jesus’ disciples “this sect.” If they were everywhere spoken against, secular historians would likely report about them, would they not?

        Tacitus, born about 55 C.E. and considered one of the world’s greatest historians, mentioned the Christians in his Annals. In the account about Nero’s blaming the great fire of Rome in 64 C.E. on them, he wrote: “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.” The details of this account match the information regarding the Jesus of the Bible.

        Another writer who commented on Jesus’ followers was Pliny the Younger, the governor of Bithynia. In about the year 111 C.E., Pliny wrote to Emperor Trajan, asking how to handle Christians. People who were falsely accused of being Christians, wrote Pliny, would repeat an invocation to the gods and worship the statue of Trajan, just to prove that they were not Christians. Pliny continued: “There is no forcing, it is said, those who are really Christians, into any of these compliances.” That testifies to the reality of the existence of the Christ, whose followers were prepared to give their lives for their belief in him.

        After summarizing the references to Jesus Christ and his followers by the historians of the first two centuries, The Encyclopædia Britannica (2002 edition) concludes: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.”

        You are the one without evidence all your subjects are based on outright lies and are out of context and shows a deliberate deceitful lack of understanding for the bible. I have answers for all your misleading subjects that are outright deceitful. The question is: Are you prepared to change everything? Or prepared to take down this deceitful inaccurate site, based on a complete accurate truth proving the bible is God’s inspired word?

      • keith says:

        please anyone who still believes the bible is true ,look at it’s history ,check out all the previous god stories and you will see it is only another one based on the existing myths ,I am telling you the truth please please check it for yourself ,

    • yeah because they are all guilty of Genocide and Supporting Slavery and all the other atrocities they have committed by slaughtering innocent people, Ravishing and invading lands that were not their own. Get out of here with that foolery, You people believe in Freedom of everything until the LIES and Murders you’ve committed in the name of your God are called to the Light. Im going to help him/her spread the Word of REAL TRUTH…

    • “… all the Christian and Jewish apologetics as they are liars and trying to defend their bloody faith, which is not true. Expert Christian and Jewish apologetics are defending their faith for a GOOD reason.”

      Yes it is true that they are liars and trying to defend their truly bloody faith.
      There is no such thing as “expert Christian and Jewish apologetics”. What makes them “expert” at apologizing? What are they apologizing for? I know what they are apologizing for – they are apologizing for lying about their bloody faith.

      What is the “GOOD reason” that they are defending their faith?

      Def: Faith – belief without evidence.

  58. Truthsayer says:

    To republibot3
    You are right – but I’m not going to change it. I’ll run the risk that someone outside of the Abrahamic religions might waste a minute checking out the website.

    • republibot3 says:

      Bad PR move. It makes you come across as a 12 year old catholic kid who doesn’t want to get up early on Sunday anymore. If you’re calling yourself “Truthsayer” and yet deliberately claiming something you know isn’t true, and refuse to fix it, then you’re just muddying the water. You’re harming your own witness, so to speak.

      If you don’t know enough about the other religions to discuss them, then learn. Otherwise knock it off. And don’t flatter yourself about appealing to the “Abrahamic” religions. You’re just targeting Christianity. There’s nothing on your site that would be of any use to a Jew or a Muslim or a Baha’I.

  59. republibot3 says:

    Your masthead says “Free persons of all faiths from the tyranny of their religion”, which is what brought me in the door, but now that I’m here, all I see is a lot of slamming the Judeo/Christian God. There’s no mention of Buddhism or Islam or Hinduism or anything interesting like that. going after the Aod of the Bible has been done to death. Will you be discussing other religions at some point in the future?

    • Phileepin says:

      I don’t think so. He’s just a myrmidon.

    • Truthsayer says:

      Nope. Just slamming the Judeo/Christian/Islamic God is tough enough. I don”t know enough about the others to debunk them.

      • republibot3 says:

        Well then your slogan is very misleading, particularly as you seem to have no intention of making good on it. Don’t you think you ought to change it?

    • Atheos says:

      For Republibot
      There is mention of Islam on this site from Nur and myself under the following topic:

      The Bible is wrong about who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

      • jbsptfn says:

        Dude, the Bible was written by the Christian community. Atheists need to stop getting wet about the names on the Gospels:

      • Atheos says:

        I’m certainly not getting wet about the names of the gospel authors, and it is not just atheists that struggle to discover the true identity of the authors of our 4 canonical gospels. You would be surprised at how many Christians genuinely believe that Matthew (disciple – tax collector), Mark (translator for Peter), Luke (physician and companion of Paul) and John (disciple – fisherman) were the authors of the gospels attributed to them.

        It was common in antiquity for authors not to sign their own works, but rather read it out loud instead, because the vast majority of people were illiterate. Reading publicly was the only way to get your message out to a wider audience of illiterate Christians. I therefore have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about the gospels originally being anonymous, besides everyone could see and hear the author so there was little point in signing their own work as they were probably the only ones in the room who could write in such a highly educated Greek style. Whilst the author was alive, their identity as the writer of a letter or gospel was known to the community. There was also no need for the gospel work to identify who the author since the earliest Christians believed that they were all still going to be alive to witness Jesus returning in glory.

        My point is that although the gospel was anonymously written, the gospel author was not anonymous to the Christians who knew and heard him reading aloud in their local church. When the author died, his contemporaries still knew who wrote this anonymous gospel. The problems came when later generations would not know who had written the text, having never seen, met nor heard the author. After the apostles, evangelists and first few generations of Christians had died, there was a dialectic shift of seismic proportions as surviving Christians realised that the second coming of Jesus was not going to happen ‘suddenly’ during their lifetimes as they were taught to believe. The community would have experienced a great deal of uncertainty and turmoil, having previously lived anticipating the return of their lord any day now, to the sudden realisation that it is not happening yet and may not happen for a very long time. Such a shift in thinking would have been devastating for most, so it is reasonable to assume that a significant number of believers deserted the Christian faith. It was during this period in the early second century that churches began collecting and collating written works to encourage Christians not to give up their faith. It then became paramount importance as to who had authored a ‘gospel’ to ensure that it carried apostolic authority to justify and encourage those of the faith. Papius made the first mention of gospels authored by Matthew and Mark that we know of, sometime between 130 AD and 140 AD.

        I also fully accept that the gospels were written by different authors, living in different Christian communities within different parts of the former Roman Empire, and were written to serve different purposes within their respective communities.

        However I have to challenge the basic assumption of the Doxa site that the gospels were written by a community of eye witnesses. How did a community in Antioch, Rome, Alexandria, Ephasus say, first learn about Jesus of Nazareth from a Jewish Jesus cult in Galilee? Evangelists preaching, like Paul or Apollos say? So the Antiochenes, Romans, Alexandrians, Ephesians and other communities heard the stories about Jesus from the evangelists, and retold them to others. Sometimes, not always, parts of the story would be changed to suit the occasion or emphasise a point. So were any of the eye witnesses from Jerusalem present to oversee each person telling the story of Jesus? No! They were in Jerusalem. So who of the eye witnesses was overseeing the oral tradition of transmission of the gospel story to ensure that the facts were correct in Antioch, Rome, Alexandria, Ephasus, Macedonia etc? No one was.

        So when Paul had left the churches he had planted in Corinth, Ephasus, or Rome, which witness to Jesus’s resurrection was on hand to ensure that the churches all believed the right stories? Evidently no one, since We only have to read some of Paul’s letters to see how far off track these churches were in what they had heard and what they believed. Much of Paul’s writings to fledgling churches involved rebukes, corrections and impartations of what Paul considered correct beliefs and actions.

        To give some perspective on just how far Christian evangelists would have to travel to reach some places and ensure that the correct oral tradition was being passed on, I have included distances by air, As-the-crow-flies for reference, since the land/sea journey will be a lot further in most cases:

        Jerusalem to Rome 1430 miles
        Jerusalem to Alexandria 312 miles
        Jerusalem to Antioch 310 miles
        Jerusalem to Corinth 814 miles
        Jerusalem to Ephasus (modern Izmir is closest to old Ephasus city) 646 miles
        Rome to Alexandria 1214 miles

  60. Kevminator says:

    The Bible is wrong about who Jesus was. The Truth

    Is there going to be a link here in the future? I would be highly interested in reading what you have to say!


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