Jesus Did Not Die For Your Sins

Source of “Jesus Died For Our Sins”

“That Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures*; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”  1Cor 15:3-4  (See BTW#1 below).

There it is. The single sentence, penned by Paul around 55 AD, that is the rationale behind the most fundamental tenet of Christianity – “that Christ died for our sins”. No one else, no where else – is there any support for this assertion (See BTW#2 below).

John 3:16 claims that you will have everlasting life if you “believeth in him” but there is no requirement in John 3:16 to believe that Jesus died for our sins.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

We will acknowledge that the phrase “gave his only begotten Son” does  imply a sacrifice; but there is no explicit indication that the sacrifice redeemed us from our sins. Regardless, John 3:16 does not mean what Christians think it does. See BTW#3 below.

How Paul Came To The Conclusion Jesus Died For Our Sins

  • Being a Pharisaic Jew, Paul was well aware of  legalistic practices of Judaism requiring  blood sacrifice rituals.
  • The offering of a sacrifice was considered an act of obedience to God. Paul used this “sacrifice” analogy to interpret Jesus’ crucifixion as an act of obedience to God to atone for the the sins of humankind. Paul wrote, “For as by one man’s (Adam’s) disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s (Jesus’) obedience many will be made righteous” (Romans 5:19).
  • Paul’s theory about why Jesus had to die is explained in Paul’s letter to the Christians in Rome. Paul used the story of “Adam and Eve” in the Hebrew book of Genesis to explain the origin of sin and death. Here Paul demonstrates that this belief -we are saved from sin and death by Jesus’ death on the cross (his crucifixion) is totally derived from his extrapolation from Genesis  “Therefore sin came into the world through one man (Adam) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned” (Romans 5:12).
  •  “But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ (Jesus) died for us. Since therefore we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God” (Romans 5:8-9). The finishing touch! Paul’s explanation of the death of Jesus was in terms of a blood sacrifice to atone for Adam and Eve’s (alleged) sin.
    (Guess where John got his “For God so loved the world … died for our sins” idea.)

Paul’s Context and Culture

For Paul, the whole idea of “atone for sin, salvation through faith” is derived from his pharisaic knowledge of the Old Testament and his understanding of universal religious “sacrifice” practices. Paul knew that the offering of a sacrifice was considered an act of obedience to God. Paul used this “sacrifice” analogy to interpret Jesus’ crucifixion as an act of obedience to God to atone for the the sins of humankind. Note: Paul “interpreted” – no divine revelation.

Paul had one encounter with a vision/apparition/light of Jesus and that’s all he says about his conversations with Jesus. Paul makes no claim that God/Jesus revealed this “truth” to him! . On the contrary, Paul spells out the stream of conscientious that led him to claim that Jesus died for our sins.

Evolution Refutes Paul’s Reasoning

The foundation tenet of Christianity is based on an event that didn’t happen – the “sin” of Adam and Eve. But, we are here because of Evolution.

As we now know,  man, plants and animals evolved over a period of 3.5 billion years. There was no biblical Adam and Eve. There was no “original sin” to be redeemed by Jesus death. This alone is sufficient to prove that Jesus did not die for our sins.

Paul’s rationale is without foundation. His knowledge of “science” was limited to what he knew of Old Testament stories. If one acknowledges the truth of evolution, then one must also acknowledge that Paul’s conclusion, “Jesus Died For Our Sins” is based on a false, Old Testament verse and therefore cannot be true.

Think of this for a moment. One man writes one sentence based on an event (Adam & Eve) that did not happen and this  misunderstanding of reality gives birth to the most fundamental tenet of the Christian church? Really?

Paul was a Pharisaic Jew. We will concede that Paul did not know about evolution when he evolved his “died for your sins” theory.

Other Evidence (Theological) That Jesus Did Not Die for Our Sins

Theological  Problem I

Paul is the only person in the world to write that Jesus died to redeem us from the sin of Adam and Eve. Jesus never said that his death was to redeem us.

Is it likely that God would rely on a man whose teachings were diametrically opposite (faith vs works, Gentiles vs Jews) to those of his “Son” to pass on the most important idea in all of Christianity? Is it probable that God would let the salvation of all mankind rest on one man’s single sentence which is entirely opposite to the message Jesus presented in the synoptic gospels? Why would God, all of the sudden,  change the message that He sent His only begotten Son here to promulgate? And why would he entrust this HUGE change to be disseminated by a mere mortal?

This is a BIG problem.

Theological Problem II

Using the concept of the Trinity, Jesus is God. Jesus so states in:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 10:38 The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.

John 14:9 He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

God is Jesus, Jesus is God, God is eternal, God doesn’t die. God did not die, God is not dead. The earthly body of Jesus “died” but Jesus/God is not dead. Where is the “sacrifice” of his “only begotten son” if He is Him?

Theological Problem III

That line of reasoning aside, exactly how would “God sacrificing Himself to Himself to save us from Himself” work? How does that remove the sin of Adam and Eve? It is only by the convoluted thought process of Paul that we are saved because of the God/Jesus “sacrifice”. Surly a an omnipotent, omniscient, loving, merciful, just God who created everything in six days could come up with something other than killing himself/his son. How about just declaring forgiveness?

But, for the sake of argument, let’s grant that “Jesus died for our sins”. In that case, then the sin is gone. Why is it required that one has to believe in Jesus’ Resurrection in order to be saved? The sin of Adam and Eve was redeemed with Jesus’ death. It’s gone! It’s no more – ever! Once and for all. It’s off the backs of everyone who lives after Jesus’ death. What then, does believing in Jesus’ Resurrection have to do with being free from original sin? It has already been redeemed. Why are you only “saved” if you believe that Jesus was Resurrected? What does one’s belief have to do with salvation? But that’s another story.

Theological Problem IV

The “original sin” of Adam was redeemed with the flood!

These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6:9

Noah was “perfect in his generations”. “Perfect” includes having no sin, otherwise one wouldn’t be perfect. That Noah was perfect “in his generations”  means that all his offspring were also perfect and therefore we are perfect, free from sin. We started over, sinless, from Noah on.

 The Credibility of Paul

Because Paul’s “Jesus Died For Your Sins” theology is the centerpiece of Christian doctrine, it is incumbent to investigate Paul’s credibility.  There are several reasons to doubt that Paul has any credibility whatsoever.

  • Paul has no God given authority to speak. Seeing an apparition does not give one the authority to speak for God.
  • At one point, Paul does claim his knowledge comes from “Revelation” but it is faulty and contradicts what Jesus taught. He does not elaborate on this “Revelation”.
  • Paul contradicts himself.
  • Paul makes promises of things that did not happen.

Because all of the above assertions about Paul’s credibility are developed and evidence is provided in another page – “Paul is so wrong about so much, why do you believe anything he says?,  we will not repeat it here.

The conclusion reached in that page is that nothing Paul says is credible. Don’t challenge that assertion until you have read the page.

The Credibility of John

No Biblical Scholar believes that the book of John was written by the apostle John. The consensus is that John was written by a committee sometime after 90 AD. See Who Wrote The Book of John.  The most unusual thing about John being the author is that he seems to appear unexpectedly from out of nowhere.  No other books of the Bible contain any reference to any person called “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. You will not find this phrase outside of this author’s own gospel.

In addition EVEN IF the author of John was with Jesus, it was over 55 years prior! John would have been a senile, Alzheimer ridden 90 year old man! And yet, we are to believe that he could remember, word for word, exactly what everyone (not just Jesus – he quotes others too) said 55 years ago? That is like a 90 year old man remembering every word, every scene, every situation of a play he was in 55 years ago. Can you recite a 10,000 word tract, word for word,  you read once 55 years ago? That is the equivalent of what John would have done.

What took him so long? Why did it take “John” 55 years to decide to write about the event that determines the fate of all mankind for the rest of eternity? Again, the idea that God would rely on this message from John reaching all of mankind for the rest of eternity is just too preposterous.

Conclusion

The book of John is not credible either.

BTW = BY THE WAY

BTW #1

What Scriptures?

The “scriptures” that Paul refers to are what? Paul is so anxious to tie his idea to scripture that he, without any foundation, claims that his “died for your sins” idea was prophasized in scripture. Where are the verses that prophesize  that a messiah would suffer, die, and be resurrected from the dead? Where are the prophecies that are referred to in 1Cor 15:3-4?

Hosea 6:1-2 perhaps?

Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

But this verse is spoken to an audience; it refers to the people living at the time (hence “us”) and therefore cannot be fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Jesus. It is the only candidate.

BTW 1.1
A Word About Sacrifice

Sacrifice was the standard way to appease the ancient gods. Most religions required the sacrifice of animals and other valuables. A few required human sacrifice. Christianity came up with the ultimate marketing ploy: to gain access to everlasting life, you did NOT have to sacrifice your goat, you did not have to kill another human, you only had to believe that God sacrificed a human, a special human, his SON!

There it is. The concept of sacrifice all wrapped up in a tidy package and no one has to sacrifice anything because God sacrificed his son. Neat eh? No wonder Christianity spread. It was simple to implement at no cost to the believers.

BTW 1.2
There are several other reasons for the acceptance of Christianity. For Paul’s Jewish audience, Paul’s Christianity was an attractive option:

  1. You don’t have to circumcise yourself.
  2. A promise of a heavenly afterlife at no cost; all you have to do is “believe”.
  3. The one sacrifice means you no longer have to sacrifice your goat.
  4. The one sacrifice means you don’t even have to think about your own sin.
  5. You can ignore the unchangeable 613 mitzvot (commandments) that God gave to the Jewish people in the Torah
  6. You can keep all your beliefs about reincarnated Gods and blood sacrifice.

Christianity was a “low cost” option to adopt. Now don’t start telling us about all the Christians that were killed. Yes some were killed for their beliefs just like others were killed for their belief. A Jewish woman could be stoned for adultery.

 BTW#2

No other Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke) says Christ died for our sins.

John is the only Gospel that even suggests that belief in Jesus died for our sins; that belief in the resurrection is the necessary and sufficient condition for everlasting life. On the other hand, Jesus, in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke, gives at least 23 different paths to salvation. “The Path To Salvation Is Not Clear“ presents each of Jesus’ paths to salvation.  Here is just one of them:

 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16: 26-27

In the three synoptic Gospels, Jesus NEVER says or intimates that “I will be crucified so that your sins will be forgiven; I will be reincarnated in three days and if you believe all this, you will have everlasting life when you die”. Never says it!

BTW#3

John 3:16 is Misunderstood by Christians

John, then, is the only disciple who picks up on Paul’s iwith this well known paraphrase of Paul:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

“Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. Hmm…if Jesus spoke those words, then the “him” refers to God, his father; not Jesus! Otherwise he would have said “…that whosoever believeth in ME….

Reference to “HIM” would be consistent with Jesus’ constant message that you must have faith and belief in his Father. It is also consistent with the first part: “For GOD so loved the world that HE sent his only begotten Son. Now, “him” clearly refers to God, not Jesus.

Jesus himself confirms this in John 5:24:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

Not only does Jesus totally contradict   John 3:16, John 6:47 and John 11:25 with John 5:24 but he makes it clear that John 3:16 is being misinterpreted by Christians. “... believeth on him that sent me…“, that would be his Father, i.e. God. Thus, in John 5:24 Jesus entirely repudiates the notion that belief in  resurrection is necessary for salvation; repudiates that belief in him (Jesus) is necessary for salvation. You only have to Hear Jesus Word AND believeth on Him that sent me … in order to pass from death unto life.

Now, John 5:24 appears to be contradicted by these two verses:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. — John 6:47 –

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever beliveth and believeth in me shall never die. — John 11:25-26

But neither of these verses say anything about dying to save us from the sin of Adam and Eve, and as pointed out above, they are contradicted by other verses in John.

64 comments on “Jesus Did Not Die For Your Sins

  1. He not god ,I know things about him,not true,

  2. I see a lot of people don’t understand the bible,they only read it to justify their faith not to understand. A lot of christians don’t know metaphors, images,figurative that are in the bible. That’s why they don’t follow the teaching of christ but Pauline s teaching, I think every christian need to go to theological colleges before calling themselves christians. The most upside down Christianity is happening in America, africa and Europe. Please get study guide about the bible and understand why,how,and where books of the bible were written.

    • Clifton Crawford says:

      First off, people who do not have the Spirit of God do not understand Scripture all together. I find it so funny yet sorrowful when an atheist or non Christian try and interpret the Bible and have it wrong the entire time. Non-Christians as opposed to Christians who study the Bible cannot understand what Scripture teaches. Paul’s teachings were parallel to Christ’s teachings. Paul’s letters are commentaries on Christ teachings. That is why Peter confirmed Paul as a brother in Christ as well as his epistles in 2 Peter 3:15-16. “I think every christian need to go to theological colleges” this is the silliest statement I have ever heard. How do you account for the ignorant Bible writers to even have the knowledge to write the Bible, especially Jesus’ disciples? They were ignorant as can be. You are not taught in Theological colleges my friend, you are taught by the Holy Spirit of God, for He is our teacher. You are deluded if you think theological school are the source of truth and note that I am not condemning all of the school. My point is that you do not have to go to school to understand the Bible, correctly. There are many people who went to theology schools and even obtained top degree who turned atheist, agnostics, Bible critics and so on. For example, Darwin had a theology degree and didn’t believe…

      So let me ask you a question? Do you believe Christ died for our sins, when you take ALL what scriptures teaches about it?

      • TruthSayer says:

        “So let me ask you a question? Do you believe Christ died for our sins, when you take ALL what scriptures teaches about it?”

        Clifton…. did you not read what I, the TruthSayer, said about that concept; i.e. “Christ died for our sins”? The ONLY place in the bible where that conceit is even stated is 1Cor 15:3-4. That’s it. Where is “All what scriptures teaches about it”?

      • Clifton Crawford says:

        TruthSayer

        It just blows me away for someone to make those types of statement. I mean the ignorance is profound in your response. Christ coming to die for the sins of the people who would believe in Him goes way back to the OT. For example, the book of Isaiah Chapter 53. What in the world are you talking about Paul only mentioning it? It’s all over the gospel. You might not find direct quotes but there are many words and phrases that allude to it. For example, Jesus or the gospel writers used words and phrases like Christ came to forgive, Christ said he came to die and forgive sins, Christ will rise and so on. The message is simple. Secondly, Peter actually stated in, 1 Peter 3:18…again, what in the world are you talking about? What you need to do is repent, stop posting foolish comments, and ask the Lord for forgiveness. I do not see how this is up for discussion….If Jesus didn’t die for our sins then He died for nothing…Lastly, Paul words are the word of God thus all it takes for the bible to say something once for it to be truth…Stop with this demonic nonsense

      • Sun Khem says:

        Non sense I breath life in and exhale death until I expire Sun Khem read this face book page as it is ridiculous to even quote scripture until we find out souls and so as I have sarcastically have stated. Illiteracy and slothfulness of study and keen sense of BS and I don’t mean bachelors of science. Bull dung is all that these religions offer to the ignorant and or peasant aka under a different state of reality. So if you are in the spirit at least you cannot be in the world. So are you then therefore dead or just full of indoctrinated influences. Have you sold all you possess and have you become as a child. How come planes haven’t crashed in to the Kingdom in the clouds? I am being sarcastic literally because I feel like people involved in a belief system are not able to reason with sanity because they are under an oath.

  3. Clifton Crawford says:

    This has to be the craziest and most ignorant page I have ever seen. This page is absolute ignorant to scripture and lack basic hermeneutics of scripture. I do not know where to begin. Oh how false prophets are condemned.

    CLIFTON – I WISH YOU WOULD AT LEAST TRY TO BEGIN. IS THE ASSERTION THAT ONLY PAUL, AND IN ONLY ONE PLACE SAYS “JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS” WRONG? SHOW ME!

  4. Sika Evans says:

    So as a Christians , in what should we believe in and how should we classify ourselves compare to sin

    • TruthSayer says:

      Believe in evolution, the big bang, evidence, truth, love, compassion, diversity, understanding.

      I don’t understand “how should we classify ourselves compare to sin”. HUH? Forget about sin. It there was “original sin”, it was washed away when “perfect” Noah and his sons incested the few other “perfect” people left on earth and recreated the entire perfect, sinless population. Make sense?

      Remember “Noah was a just man and perfect.” Genesis 6:9. So all of Noah’s offspring (us) are sinless and perfect ourselves. So, not to worry about your sin.

      • Jason Sues says:

        Some translations say Noah was perfect, others righteous, others a man of integrity, blameless. I don’t know of any translation that says he was sinless. These descriptions were not meant to imply he was sinless, only that he faithfully walked with God and so received grace from God (Genesis 6:8). He would not need grace if he were sinless. He inherited the sinful nature just like everyone else, likewise his children and so on.

  5. Adam and Eve in genius is just a metaphor in the storyline of right and wrong tree of knowledge well who wouldn’t want it, look where we are now. And she was also told of God giving us free will. She chose knowledge so to speak of.

    • Clifton Crawford says:

      Adam and Eve were real life people who lived in a real time in history. Jesus referred to them as well…if Adam and Eve were metaphors then how did the earth populate? Wow would Genesis says that they filled the earth and so on…Genesis doesn’t make sense if Adam and Eve is metaphor. The genealogy doesn’t make sense either all throughout the Bible…

      Truthsayer’s Response
      You are right! Genesis doesn’t make sense if Adam and Eve is a metaphor. Couldn’t agree more. What evidence do you have, other than words written by ignorant (not stupid, ignorant) men 3500 years ago that Adam and Eve were real people?

      There is no doubt that we evolved from ooze in the swamp millions of years ago. At what point did we have only two people, Adam and Eve? If you believe the fable that Adam and Eve were the only two people and that we all “evolved” from them, then at what point in our development did incest and inbreeding become bad for the development of the species? Who did Cain marry? After the flood, we started all over again. Once again we would have had brother and sister making babies. We know that produces a horrible outcome these days but you are saying that didn’t happen with the progeny of Adam and Eve and Noah?

      I would love to hear your response to fact.

  6. That would be his father h.e.god.

  7. Tom says:

    Point in the Bible is Jesus died for the sins of Adam recorded in 1 Corinthians 15 pointing to one fact –out sin is from Adam NOT GOD. Jesus settle the issue of Adams sin which also includes us. Now the Family of God in the world is back in force. Satan opposes all we do but can not lay a hand on us only trick others in interfering in out life.

    • tomschaber says:

      You actually believe that crap – original sin? How was Eve to know that the snake wasn’t God? After all, at least the snake talked to her; she only heard “God’s word” as hearsay from Adam. Why should Eve even trust Adam? He didn’t look like her. There was only a passing reference to a particular tree in the middle of a bunch of trees.

      Why would God want to withhold knowledge from those he created anyway. Why didn’t …. oh the heck with it. The whole story is so preposterous it doesn’t warrant any more of my time.

      • Sam Massey says:

        It is sad that humans, that are supposed to be the most intelligent animal
        life on earth can believe that a snake talked to Eve! I bet you see Santa Claus come down your chimney every pagan Christmas if you have a chimney or not! I bet you see the Rabbits laying colored eggs. You take the Bible of so many fairy tales, and teach your children all the lies of your pagan religion, and culture. No wonder you can believe that in the pagan bible where it says water was turned to blood,manna fell from heaven, the earth stopped rotating, and rotated backwards ten degrees, the Red Sea parting, Jonah being swollowed by a whale, the donkey talking, the ax head floating to the surface of the water, there was no day light for three days, and nights. All this
        belief in these fairy tales is dew to people not wanting to die. They have a misguided hope of an after life. They listen to a bigger liar than a polititan, and
        that is a preacher! They lie, that, the idol Jesus is coming back very soon. All
        generations die, and it does not happen. The original lie was the he would come back before that generation would die, and that lie is repeated by the
        faults words of the NT every since, wake up animals, yes the same bible declares you are not above an animal. Why let preachers steal your money, and time?

    • Adam😂 Alison do Alison McQueen. I WWILL take with honor everyones sin upon Mr and my mortal
      Lighting body
      I will take place of the time now. When I do go before another judge and five 12 hour Saturdays ina year. I’m maximum security.

    • Adam and Eve in genius is just a metaphor in the storyline of right and wrong tree of knowledge well who wouldn’t want it, look where we are now. And she was also told of God giving us free will. She chose knowledge so to speak of. Thank you very much

  8. And from Jesus Christ which is that faithful witness, and that first begotten of the dead, and that Prince of the Kings of the earth, unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his blood, (Revelation 1:5)

  9. Actually, I pray to Y’shua. And, while my name is Elizabeth in English, it is Elisa en Español, and something else in Greek, something else in Hebrew. The God who gave us different languages at the tower of Babel knows them all.

    • Leo says:

      @Elizabeth
      Pray to G-d the Father only, as Yeshua himself did. No where is there in the Holy Bible nor any scripture where Yeshua (Jesus) instructs
      anyone to worship nor pray to himself. Indeed the very example of Yeshua was submission to G-d alone. Hear o Israel the Lord your G-d is one.

    • He brew flat earth beer. Location South Carolina and Virginia.

  10. When Jesus promised that some standing there would not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, he took Peter, James and John up a mountain six day later. There, they saw Jesus transfigured in His glorified state, along with Moses and Elijah (representing the law and the prophets). Remember that the Scriptures claim that neither of these men was buried on earth.

    Peter, James and John all saw Jesus in His kingly state before they tated death. James was the first to join his Savior in the heavenly kingdom. Peter joined him later, through crucifixion (tradition holds that he pleaded to be crucified upside down ). John had to watch all of his fellow disciples go on to the heavenly kingdom ahead of him, while he remained behind, encouraging fellow believers with words from the Holy Spirit. Yet, each one of these men us even more alive than you or I at this point.

    When I taste death, it will be that -a taste – before I enter the eternal service of my King and Savior, Jesus Christ, who loved me and gave His life for me.

  11. So, since you completely discount the Bible, what is your source of truth? You claim to believe in God, and claim to not need His Son.

    I know you will scoff at this, but this is the verse that came to my mind first when I read your most recent comment :

    “Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish in the way, for His wrath is easily kindled.” (Psalm 2:12, ESV)

    Jesus proclaimed, “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6). You either believe him or call him a liar. When you face the Father, you will be asked only one question : “What did you do with My Son?” If you spent your life calling him a liar, what do you expect the Father to do with you?

    If you really believe that you are a better source of truth than the Bible, you have incredible faith. Is the object of your faith truly worthy?

    May you find the peace of God, as well as the God of peace.

  12. What I do know is that Jesus loves you enough that He laid down His life for you. He rose again and has been given by His Father the name that is above every name. You will bow down to Him and acknowledge Him some day, as Lord of Lords. If not during your time on earth, you will do so before you choose to go away from Him forever to the only place in the universe you can be away from His presence. The choice is yours to make. He loves you enough to honor your choice.

    • TruthSayer says:

      What about my comments below? That you, in acknowledging the ENTIRE BIBLE, you condone all the atrocities permitted, committed and condoned by God?

      WRT “Jesus loves you enough that He laid down His life for you”. How do you know that? Oh, the Wholly Holey Holy Bible says so. Well, that just about proves it doesn’t it. In that same book of lies, Jesus also tells his followers:

      “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew16:28”

      Not true was it. Jesus even emphasizes his pronouncement with a “Verily” in front of the promise.

      What choice? My name is either written in the book of life or it is not. If you believe the cockamamie that Jesus “died for our sins”, then I too am saved. Jesus said you only had to believe in the father, not that he would die and be resurrected.

  13. You have listed isolated verses with no regard for context. The Bible, though written over about 1,500 years by many different human writers, is ONE COHERENT story of God’s love for humanity because it has been inspired by the Holy Spirit. He always points to Jesus.

    The Old Testament sacrificial system (beginning in the garden of Eden, when God made coverings for Adam and Eve from animal skins) was always a substituruinary death of the sacrifice on behalf of the repentant sinner. It foreshadowed Jesus, the REAL DEAL.

    Revelation refers to the LAMB no fewer than 27 tomes. This is the lamb who was slain, who is worthy of praise, who will return to earth to slay all of his enemies, who will save his follwers, who will reign forever as King of Kings and Lird of Lords. What did this lamb need to do before reigning forever? Die and rise again. What makes him a LAMB (sacrifice)? He died to pay for the sins of the world. He is the atoning sacrfice. His sacrifice makes reconciliation with the Father possible.

    This is the central theme that runs from Genesis through Revelation. My context is the ENTIRE BIBLE.

    • TruthSayer says:

      Oh Elizabeth, I am SO very glad to hear that your context is the ENTIRE BIBLE.

      That means you condone the millions that God killed while protecting HIS Children of Israel. You condone priests raping little boys in the name of God because the bible says God is all powerful. That means He could have intervened if he wanted to.

      You totally condone this passage from Numbers:
      31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
      31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

      That’s just great Elizabeth. I hope we never meet because I do work on the Sabbath and you are compelled by your belief in the ENTIRE BIBLE to stone me until I am dead. BTW… do you eat shellfish? That’s an abomination to God you know.

      And, Elizabeth how about this:

      That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15

      That means that whatever people value the most (kindness, wisdom, courage, love, money, power, sex, and cell phones) are all an abomination to your God.

      And don’t tell me Xians don’t cherry pick verses. How many times have I heard John 3:16 without any context.

    • Sam Massey says:

      Greetings Elizebeth Verde,
      You put your faith in the name of Jesus, I don’t believe it will hurt you, but that name will not help you either.
      I hope you realize that the name Je-sus is not the name that is in the Greek Text? Why would I think it was of importance?
      Because what the Greek Text tells us. Acts 4:12, be advised that the Greek Text says this, the Greek Text has the name of
      this supposed son, NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN,
      WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. This name in Greek is ( Ie-sous ) pronounced ( ee-ay-souce’ ) Strongs #2424, notice very closely that that the utterance is quite different than the N.T. Jesus. Acts stresses that the utterance is important. I don’t know if
      you care one way or the other. The N.T. is a translation of the Greek Text, what does translation mean Elizabeth? It means to change. So young lady, you have a changed name of the original Greek name. Yes, even people say this writing was originally written in Hebrew. If it were so, which it is not, it would be pronounced Yahshua, but by using this false name Jesus you would still
      fall short of salvation, false names do not count. I shall show you how serious I am. Notice John 14:13-14, And whatsoever you
      ask in my name that will I do,that the Father may be glorified in the son.
      If you shall ask anything in my name I will do it. Elizabeth do you whole heartily believe these two scriptures ????
      I believe after 40 years of study that this is a lie!
      I SAM MASSEY JR? ASK IN THE NAME OF JESUS TO STRIKE ME DEAD AT 8:30 P.M. on May 31 2016, I ask in the
      foolish name of Jesus Christ. So be it ! you ought to visit http://www.free-truth.com Do you think something is going to happen to me
      in the next few minutes? It never has happened before, why now ? The supposed Old Testament, and the writings of Churchianity
      called the New Testament are not scriptural, neither is the word Bible something holy! Even King Tut believed in an after life, it is
      nothing new. The Bible is really Baal worship. I think I have wasted my breath, heavy Jesus believers don’t really listen,
      they think that they will die and then open their eyes, to see Jesus! Eccl.9:5, For the living know that they shall die, but
      the dead know not anything. It is very close to 8:50 P.M. I am still breathing , so the prayer I asked is a lie, like the rest of the Bible.

  14. Elizabeth A. Verde says:

    The entire book of Hebrews is centered on the theme of Jesus having sacrificed his own body to purify faithful human beings from their sin. Of course, the book must be read and understood in its entirety, and in the context of the rest of Scripture (both Old and New Testaments). However, the following verses point specifically to Jesus’ successful sacrifice:

    1:3b “After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,”

    9:11-14 “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation” he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing eternal redemption. For it the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

    9:26b “But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

    10:11-14 “And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ has offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.”

    13:12 “So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood.”

    The book of Hebrews explains Jesus’ words to his disciples during His final Passover meal with them, as recorded in Matthew 26:27-28:
    “And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink of it all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'”

    Jesus IS the Passover Lamb for the sins of the entire world. By faith, we come under the covering, redemption, and washing of his blood.
    John 1:29 “The next day he [John the Baptizer] saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

    The same author, John, one of the inner circle of disciples of Jesus, wrote:
    1 John 2:2 “He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”

    Peter, another of the inner circle, wrote:
    1 Peter 2:24: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds we have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.”

    and:
    1 Peter 3:18
    “For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. . .”

    Peter refers directly to the prophet Isaiah, who predicted the death of God’s anointed Servant:
    Isaiah 53:4-6 “Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turnes — every one — to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

    This is likely the same passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he wrote the passage you dismiss as being a singular outlier is Scripture. He may be the only Scripture writer to pen the exact words “Christ died for our sins,” but all of these passages are in harmony with the idea. Here is a reminder of the gospel, the good news that Jesus died for our sins, and that he rose again:

    “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas [Peter], then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all of the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach, and so you believed.”

    • Sam Massey says:

      Ezekiel 18:20,
      The soul that sinneth it shall die. The son shall ( NOT ) bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father
      bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of
      The wicked shall be upon him.
      Ps.40:6, Sacrifice and offering Thou did not desire; mine ears hast Thou pierced: burnt-offering and
      SINN OFFERING has Thou not required.
      http://www.free-truth.com

    • TruthSayer says:

      Elizabeth, who cares what the book of Hebrews says. No one even knows who wrote it. If it was written by Paul it is totally discredited because he is a liar. He said Jesus would return in the lifetime of those who were listening to his drivel.

      Paul preached counter to what Jesus preached. Jesus preached that there were many ways to salvation but he always included faith in His Father and good works. Paul, totally opposite, said that ONLY faith in the resurrection was necessary for salvation. Jesus would have kicked Paul out of the club had Paul been preaching along side Him.

      Why do you think quoting verses from the Wholly Holey Holy Babble has any affect on a TruthSayer?

    • Ann C. Donovan says:

      John was not among the inner circle of disciples, if by “inner circle” you mean the original 12.

  15. James Cameron says:

    Your site exists to “Free persons of all faiths from the tyranny of their religion,” and while that may sound admirable and useful, you must acknowledge the great irony of such a mission statement. Your freeing them is simply bringing them under the tyranny of your way of thinking. By spending so much time & energy in convincing people to think as you do, you are trying to bring them under your perspective. So you see, one way or another, we are all under something, whether it be Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism, etc., and the problem is not the so-called “tyranny” of any of these belief systems but rather which is the truth. And by freeing people from such “tyranny,” you are claiming that your perspective is the truth. In fact, you are claiming that your perspective is so true, so great, that it is the one view that liberates people from all their current views.

    In doing so, you may want to humble yourself, carefully evaluate what you do believe, and ensure that you are truly right, confidently right, before influencing other people. It is a tremendous responsibility to teach anyone anything, especially about religion and philosophical questions, for it can shape their worldview.

    – “Slave” of Christ

    • Truthsayer says:

      “In fact, you are claiming that your perspective is so true, so great, that it is the one view that liberates people from all their current views.”

      YEP… You got that right.

      “In doing so, you may want to humble yourself, carefully evaluate what you do believe, and ensure that you are truly right, confidently right, before influencing other people. It is a tremendous responsibility to teach anyone anything, especially about religion and philosophical questions, for it can shape their worldview.”

      YEP… I did all that and I sincerely hope it does shape their worldview to quit believing nonsense. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

      Paul tried to change peoples’ worldview too but he told them lies. He said Jesus would return in the lifetime of his listeners. I haven’t said anything that isn’t true. What’s wrong with that?

      • Stefan says:

        Blablablaaaaa

        I honestly can not think how what people believe can let you spent hours to change that. It does not effect you in any way what these people think.

        And I will call it pure stupidity to read a book called the bible , and quote scriptures to disprove it. If you do not believe the bible, enjoy your time on things that dont upset you. There is no sense in getting upset and trying to change peoples views if it does not harm you personally.

        Do you spent your life trying to convince football lovers that it is stupid because you think so… just an example and not saying you dont like football.

        I will tell you why, because God has put eternity in your heart and that is why it is bugging you so much. Every human has that THING inside of him. And that is the reason you do it. Why spent your life trying to disprove something YOU DONT BELIEVE IN. There is the irony disproving something you dont believe in.

        TruthSayers Response
        ===================================================================================================
        HOLY SMOKES Stefan…. have you been talking to my wife? She is spot on with you except for the part where you say God has put eternity in my heart. What does that even mean?

        My answer to “why do I do it” is this: I believe religion and the belief in the supernatural is a force for evil. The self-proclaimed apostle Paul went around telling lies about the supernatural; I am using the Internet to tell the truth about the book that tells the worst lies ever told. Look at the motto “Free persons of all faiths from the tyranny of their religion”. I am the “Paul” of atheists.

      • Stefan says:

        You know what truthsayer?
        I don’t know how to reply dirctly to your reply to mine so i will do it here.

        God has put eternity in your heart means that just the mere fact that humans discuss God, evil, afterlife and meaning of life and so on is a supernatural thing, and that YOU that dont believe in it will spent all your time and energy on it and that you can’t explain.

        So to say you want to bring truth to people is a justification for something you DON”T know why you do it and why it is bugging you so much.
        I DID TELL YOU WHY I DO IT.

        Please tell me why is it only Christianity and the bible you disprove according to yourself.
        Why not take on the moslems and the koran and rip that apart, Why not go to Scientology , Buddhism , Hinduhism and all the rest of the religions and spent your life disproving THEM about their gods??

        STEFAN – YOU ARE SUCH A CONCRETE THINKER, UNABLE TO THINK BEYOND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU. I ONLY KNOW THE DETAILS OF XIANITY BUT ASSUME THAT ANYONE READING MY TRUTHS CAN EXTRAPOLATE BEYOND MY CRITIQUE OF XIANITY TO SEE THAT WHAT I SAY ABOUT XIANITY ALSO APPLIES TO THOSE OTHER SUPERNATURAL BELIEFS. SEE? I DOUBT IT.

        And to tell me that religion is a way to evil is a joke, because evil is a religious term, and evil can only exist if God exists. WHOS SAYS? PROVE IT.
        Thats where it comes from n the first place from religion.

        You cannot be the PAUL because according to you the bible is not true , so Paul is not real and all the rest of the bible must be fictional. AGAIN CONCRETE THINKING. YOU JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I CONTEND THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE – WRONG SOME OF IT IS HISTORY AND IS TRUE. PAUL IS A CHARACTER IN THE BIBLE THAT I BELIEVE WAS REALLY THE PERSON HE IS REPRESENTED TO BE. I AM PROVIDING A SERVICE TO ALL OF HUMANITY JUST AS HE WAS DOING.

        If i tell you today that i believe that the earth will vanish in the next 80 years, will you believe it? NO you won’t but what if i DO BELIEVE it.

        You cannot PROVE that i am wrong and i cannot prove that i am right. Now we sit with the same problem as people wanting to prove life after death and no life after death, and proof for God and no proof for God.
        But i know for a fact that you will not dedicate a website and discuss with me and other people day in and day out that the earth will not vanish, Rather i believe you will say that you wont waste your time on something so stupid. If Stefan wants to believe that he is a moron and i wont waste even 5 minutes on discussing it with him.

        SO, SO BLAH.

        So you see, there is the reason i believe that God IS REAL.
        The mere fact that non believers will spent their lives disproving something they don’t believe in , read a book day in and day out that they call fiction and then try to disprove it by its own content is proof GOD exists. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
        The reason the other religions is not so much in the spotlight and you don’t dedicate websites and your time to it is because ITS NOT TRUE.
        Do you see what i am getting at?
        NO, YOU MAKE LITTLE SENSE

        I would LOVE to see you take on VISHNU one of the hindu Gods and fight with them about it day in and day out and disproving it.
        You won’t do that and you know why?… Yes you guessed it…mmmm….. Because vishnu is NOT real and not true. So your inner being will find it a waste of time, just the same as arguing with me if the earth will vanish in 80 years.

        NOPE – WRONG AGAIN. THE CONCEPT OF VISHNU IS AS STUPID AS BELIEVING THAT JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS BUT I DON’T KNOW MUCH OF THE NONSENSE THAT UNDERLIES “BELIEF” IN VISHNU.

        PLEASE DON’T WRITE AGAIN. I AM SIGNING OFF RESPONDING TO YOU.

        I really hope that you can put your logic mind to my words and maybe you will see that spending your life disproving something that doesn’t exist is something you yourself cannot explain, only lame excuses and justifications is what there is.
        But that book you quote and your site is dedicated to give you the answers why you do what you do.

        Cheers

        Stefan

      • Stefan says:

        Please dont write again. Bwhahahahahaaaaaa

        Well I am and talk about logic?
        Here is your athiestic logic.
        I will spent my life doing everything in my power to disprove no-thing because God is nothing so actually im doing nothing.
        Whats your definnition then of evil?
        And when you are sick, please dont go to doctors because the weakest should die out that the strongest can survive as in evolution. So please dont mess up the future of our children and the future of the UNIVERSE by healing people. Let the weakest die and the strongest survive.

        You see when people quote bible verses to you you rip them apart but when you deal with someone that DONT quote the verses YOU cannot debate and that is just sad because logic athiests dont have.

        By the way I wont BOTHER you again instead I will pray for you

  16. Luciana23 says:

    I agree with most of what you say, but I am having trouble with the prophecies of Isaiah. In Isaiah 53 are prophecies which many claim refer to Christ’s death. They suggest that the death was an atonement for sins. What do you make of them? If they had not been written before the fact, they would not trouble me as much.

    • Prophecies of Isaiah? Who cares? “Many claim…” that’s it. They’re wrong. There is no such thing as someone who can forecast the future. Not now, not then, never. There are many who think prophecy is real but they are always looking back and twisting the present to meet some person’s stupid utterance whilst under the influence of the drug de jour.

      There are thousands of “prophecies’ that you never hear about because those that made them shut up after they fail. Or how about those that you have heard about (how many times have we heard that the end will come on mo/day/yr) that fail?

      Those prophecies that appear to be accurate are merely coincidental if anything.

      Matthew appends “according to prophecy” onto much of what he says. Biblical scholars are unable to corroborate many of his claims. Matthew has Jesus born in Bethlehem – Mary and Joseph just happen to be there. Luke has to make up a cockamamie story about the Romans taking a census and making everyone return to their ancestral home (do you know the ancestral home of your 16th generation removed?) in order to get baby Jesus born in Bethlehem. Both stories have Jesus of Nazareth born in Bethleham “according to prophecy”.

      Prophecy is nonsense. Forget about it. In Mark, Jesus “prophecies that the temple would fall. It did. Mark was written AFTER the fall of the temple! See what I mean?

      Do a Google search on “Failed Prophecy”. You won’t be able to finish it.

      • Luciana23 says:

        Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it.

      • Fredric Sharpe says:

        Fred here,Jesus said according to the bible I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly.

      • Fred,

        Ok…. and your point is?

        What make you think I give a fig about what Jesus is alleged to have said? All Jesus quotes are written by anonymous authors at least 40 years after they were allegedly spoken by someone, maybe a man named Jesus.

        Can you remember, word for word, character by character, scene by scene, a movie you saw 40 years ago? For “John” it would have been 60 years after the fact. John would have been in his 90s, a senile, Alzheimer ridden old man who probably couldn’t even remember where his hat was.

      • Elizabeth A. Verde says:

        Unless it was actually GOD who revealed the future to Isaiah.
        PRESUPPOSES THAT THERE IS A GOD – WHICH THERE IS NOT.

        Why don’t you just come out and say that you put no credibility in the Bible whatsoever.
        OK – I’LL SAY IT. I PUT NO CREDIBILITY IN THE SUPERNATURAL ASPECTS OR THE STORY OF JESUS’ DIVINITY WHATSOEVER.

        Why don’t you just outright claim to be the Singular Source of truth yourself?
        I AM THE Singular Source of Truth! NO! WAIT! I AM NOT THE ‘SOURCE’ OF TRUTH, I AM THE SAYER OF TRUTH AND THAT’S THE TRUTH.

        Your article and your replies to others’ comments imply that this is what you believe. GOOD FOR YOU – YOU GOT ME.

        Of course, I believe quite differently than you do. I believe Jesus told the truth here: “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.” John 14:6

        JOHN 14:6 WAS WRITTEN BY AN ANONYMOUS WRITER OR WRITERS SOME 60 YEARS AFTER JESUS DIED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JESUS ACTUALLY SAID THOSE WORDS. CAN YOU REMEMBER EVERY WORD SOMEONE SAID, WORD FOR WORD EVEN 30 YEARS AGO?

      • Stefan says:

        Truth is you DO Care what Jesus said… mmmm that is why you debate it day in and day out
        Doubt your doubts

  17. Teisme says:

    I whole heartedly agree! Thank you for sharing. Teresa

  18. JB says:

    Nice little piece here. Thought provoking for those who only believe in Christianity’s normal views. Adam and Eve shouldnt not be looked at 100% literal. Adam and Eve’s fall is what takes place in us. The Bible says the carnal mind is at opposite ends with God. Which is choosing or eating of the “forbidden fruit.” That fruit is staying in our left brain, which is the carnal mind, knowing Good and Evil. Which is the spiritual death that is talked about when Adam and Eve get kicked out of paradise. Now Salvation is to save us in the here and now to enjoy life of bliss or “heaven on earth” if you will. John 3:16 is beautifully written when you pair it with what Jesus said in John 17:3, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” Jesus defines what life eternal or everlasting life is in John 17:3. So re-read John 3:16 with the new definition. To know God and Jesus Christ is to take part of the right brain, which is the Tree of Life in Genesis.

    • tomschaber says:

      OK I won’t take Adam and Eve 100% literal. What percentage should I take it as literal?

      And as for John 3:16…. I won’t take any part of that literal. How’s that you cherry picker. How is one supposed to know which parts to take literally and which part not 100% literal? You Xians just love John don’t you. You know John did not write John don’t you? And even if he did, he would have been in his 90s, a senile Alzheimer ridden old man who was trying to remember just where he left his quill pen let alone recall what Jesus said, word for word, some 60 years ago,

  19. comeonman says:

    And I would call that a satanistic idea.

  20. comeonman says:

    Why would god went to down to earth for sacrificed himself to remove our sin when god can remove it without sacrificed himself?
    To understand human? And that was a stupid ideas I’ve ever heard. God didn’t need that, he already know human, inside and outside because he’s the creator. Even kids know that.

    I don’t know what is in christian’s brain believe such things.

    • Sam Massey says:

      In Deut.32:3-4, the Hebrew Text tells us YHWH is the Rock,and we know the Rock is the Creator, and His work is perfect. I
      do not think it matters which one is supposed to be the Rock, or Creator, Father, or son, because I have too ask, is this
      Mighty-One really perfect? Do you really think creating beings that grow up to want to lay with their own sex is a perfect
      creation? There have been millions of beings created this way through the years before they came out of the closet.
      This screams very loudly that there is nothing perfect about Jesus, or Yahweh, I think it shows the Bible is a lie.

  21. Benzer says:

    Mark 9:30,31

    • truthsayer0 says:

      Your point?

      We are to read these passages and then presto, everything said above is discredited? Ah, you’re right. Your judicious selection of Biblical passages has turned the tide. I now believe in everything that is written in the Wholly Holey Holy Babble.

  22. Benzer says:

    Matthew17:22,23

  23. Benzer says:

    Matthew 16:21

  24. Benzer says:

    Matthew 20:18 -19 read & understand you Muslim website

    • tomschaber says:

      Oh Brother – Muslim website? You are really daft.

    • Shabba says:

      While Mathew does have verses in regards to Jesus crucifixion and his raising after three days, there are no other verses anywhere in regards to him dying for our sins. That’s only in Paul’s single verse. There are many verses in regards to his crucifixion, but can you name a single other verse that actually says that Jesus died for our sins? Any man can claim to have a revelation from God and just write passages that typically agree with some common Christian beliefs all while keeping what they like, removing what they don’t, and adding what they want.

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