David Revered, Not Reviled?

David, beloved King of the Jews, is revered by Jews and Christians alike.

WHY?

He should be reviled, vilified, hated, scorned, viewed as criminally insane, perpetrated crimes against humanity, mass murderer and more.

The Truth Is…

If David, beloved King of the Jews, had been tried in our current International Court of Justice, he would have been found guilty of Crimes Against Humanity as horrific as the worst mass murders in history (e.g. Hitler, Mao Ze-Dong, Stalin, Pol Pot, et. al.)

Crimes Against Humanity:

particularly odious offenses that  constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings.
Murder;
extermination;
torture;
rape;
political, racial, or religious persecution

Not only did David violate every modern sense of morals, he also violated  5 of the 10 commandments. You can count em; we’re about to puke.

All of his crimes were committed with the blessing of God who sometimes gleefully joined in the killings. David was so successful at killing and murder (and foreskin shucking) because he had more faith in God than anyone else. Thus God rewarded David with “victory” over his enemies (some of whom lived peacefully nearby). It was only after David’s faith wavered that his killing spree ended.

MORAL: Have faith in God and anything, including being able to slaughter thine enemies, is possible.

It would be hard to find anyone in the bible that God liked more than David.

(All of the text below is borrowed from Steve Wells,
the creator of the SAB and Dwindling in Unbelief)

He was directly selected by God to be king, and “the Spirit of the Lord came
upon David from that day forward.”

And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. 1 Sam.16:10-13

His heart “was perfect with the Lord” and “the Lord God of hosts was with him.”

David … grew great, and the LORD God of hosts was with him. 2 Sam.5:10

His [Solomon’s] heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 1 Kg.11:4, 15:3

He walked in God’s ways and kept his statutes.

And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days. 1 Kg.3:14

And (with the exception of the matter of Uriah the Hitite) he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord in his every act throughout his lifetime.

Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1 Kg.15:5

He was, according to Acts, a man after God’s own heart.

And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Acts 13:22 (See also 1 Sam.13:14)

So if we want to know what type of person God likes, we need only look at David. Those who believe in the bible should try hard to imitate David, to always ask themselves “What would David Do?” in any particular situation. The two numbers following the biblical passages will be the (estimated?) body count of that passage’s carnage and the cumulative body count.

Here is that which David did that  was right in the eyes of the LORD,

  • He kills Goliath with his sling, beheads him, and carries the head back to Jerusalem. 1 Sam.17:51-57 (1,1)
    .
  • He and Saul have a contest to see who can kill the most people for God, and the women act as cheerleaders saying, “Saul has killed his thousands, and David his tens of thousands.” 1 Sam.18:6-7 (20,000, 20,001)
    .
  • He kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul’s daughter Michal). 1 Sam.18:25-27  (200, 20,201)
    .
  • He shows cowardice and lack of faith in God when he acts like he’s crazy, scribbles on the gates of Gath, and lets spit run down his beard. All this he did in front of Israel’s enemies in the hopes that they would take him in and protect him from Saul. 1 Sam.21:12
    .
  • He “inquired of the Lord, saying, Shall I go and smite these Philistines? And the Lord said unto David, Go, and smite the Philistines … So David smote them with a great slaughter.” 1 Sam.23:2-5  (10,000?, 30,201)
    .
  • He “smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive.” 1 Sam.27:8-11 (20,000? 50,201)
    .
  • He had many (like Joseph Smith, no one knows how many) wives. 1 Sm.30:5
    .
  • He tells one of his “young men” to kill the Amalekite messenger who claimed to have mercifully killed Saul at Saul’s own request. 2 Sam.1:15 (1, 50,202)
    .
  • When Joab (David’s captain) kills Abner, David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. 2 Sam.3:27-29 (100?, 50,302)
    .
  • Some of David’s men kill Saul’s son and bring his head to David, thinking that he’ll be pleased. But he wasn’t. David has the assassins killed, their hands and feet chopped off, and their bodies hung up (for decorations?) over the pool in Hebron. 2 Sam.4:6-7 (5?, 50,307)
    .
  • He says that whoever kills the lame and the blind will be his “chief and captain.” 2 Sam.5:8
    .
  • He asks God if he should kill some more Philistines. God says yes, and he’ll even help. So David and God “smote the Philistines” again. 2 Sam.5:19, 25 (2000?, 52,307)
    .
  • He dances nearly naked in front of God and everybody. Michal criticizes him for it and God punishes her by having “no child unto the day of her death.” 2 Sam.6:14, 20-22
    .
    He kills two thirds of the Moabites and makes the rest slaves. He also cripples the captured horses. 2 Sam.8:2-4 (667?, 52,974)
    .
  • He kills and tortures thousands of people, “and the Lord preserved David withersoever he went.” 2 Sam.8:6, 14 (66,850, 120,000+) We give up, you get the idea.
    .
  • He sees a woman (Bathsheba) bathing and likes what he sees. so he sends for her and commits adultery with her “for she was purified from her uncleanness.” She conceives and bears a son (which God later kills to punish David). 2 Sam.11:2-5
    .
  • He tells Joab (his captain) to send Bathseba’s husband (Uriah) to “the forefront of the hottest battle … that he may be smitten and die.” In this way, David gets another wife. 2 Sam.11:15, 17, 27 (This is the only thing he ever did wrong. Everything else was “right in the eyes of the Lord.”)
    .
  • He tortured or enslaved (depending on translation) the inhabitants of several cities. 2 Sam.12:31,1 Chr.20:1-3
    .
  • He shows unusual restraint and “went not in unto his concubines.” Instead, he imprisons them as a punishment for being raped by David’s son, Absalom. 2 Sam.20:3 (Concubines? Hmm – let’s see… wasn’t this AFTER the Nth commandment, “Thou shalt not commit adultery”?)
    .
  • To appease God and end the famine that was caused by his predecessor (Saul), David agrees to have seven of Saul’s sons killed and hung up “unto the Lord.” 2 Sam.21:6-9
    .
    Old King David tries to get some heat by having a beautiful virgin minister unto him. 1 Kg.1:1-4
    .
  • In David’s last words, he commands his son Solomon to murder Joab.
    1 Kg.2:5-9
    .

So if you believe and trust in the Bible, you should try to follow the example of David.  Have total faith and trust in the Lord and he will help you in any endeavor, no matter how heinous.

 

Nothing But Legand

Fortunately, most of what the Bible says about David is mere legand. The following truths were presented by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman in their book, “The Bible Unearthed”. Mr. Finkelstein is director of the Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University.  Is there anyone who would be more anxious to prove that David really was all that the Bible says he was than Mr Finkelstein, a Jew who teaches in Tel Aviv?  Mr. Silberman is director of historical interpretation of the Ename Center for Public Archaeology and Heritage Presentation and is a contributing editor to Archaeology magazine. To refute what these two have to say about David will require that you become more knowledgeable about archeology than they are.

The story of David, conqueror of the promised land and leader of a glorious empire over all the vast territories that had been promised to Abraham, is a theological hope, not an accurate historical portrait. The glorious epic of the united monarchy was a brilliant composition that wove together ancient heroic tales and legends into a coherent and persuasive prophecy for the people of Israel in the seventh century BCE.

The material culture of the highlands in the time of David remained simple. The land was overwhelmingly rural – with no trace of written documents, inscriptions or even signs of the kind of widespread literacy that would be necessary for the functioning of a proper monarchy. There is no evidence of a unified culture or centrally adminsitered state. Thje area from Jerusalem to the south – the hub of the future kingdom of Judah – was still very sparsely settled. Jerusalem itself was, at best, no more than a typical highland village.  We can say no more than that.

Out of a total of approximately forty-five thousand people living in the hill country, about five thousand of them lived in Jerusalem. Archeologically we can say no more about David and Solomon except that they existed – and that their legend endured.   

 

 

A personal note to Pastor Jeremy Carr, Oxford Bible Fellowship, Oxford Ohio

Jeremy,
In your sermon “In Sync with God: The Life of David” you condoned David’s behavior; how could you?
August 28, 2011
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15 comments on “David Revered, Not Reviled?

  1. Susan says:

    wel then since she is the focus.may it be as was said..Bathsheba restored 4 times.. as a daughter loved greatly by her father to “remove the sword from davids house”
    funny how army and war gods cannot do this
    so they call it blasphemy..
    army and war gods who have said to take and rape as many women as you want that belonged to other men (2 Samuel 12) wont exactly become loving fathers very soon… of daughters…
    David basically took a girl with a covenant
    that’s why peculiar verses show up in bible such as
    “i was a father to you.. then I spread my skirt over you (slept with) nevertheless I will return you to the covenant I had with you as my daughter”
    what sick nonsense
    you cant do that!
    how would that work?
    “daughter…sex…..daughter again
    sickness!
    its davids story in one verse…. that’s all
    but its evil as it would confuse a girl child big time! her heart cant accept “oh ok daddy!”
    so the other one says
    “didn’t you just call me father and friend from your youth? why then have you become as an adulterous wife?”
    see?
    daughter zion JERKED “to and fro” and never comforted
    they talk at her from far away
    and expect her to respond to both sides of nonsense like she is an object of a video game and its why she never responds and why books are written such as “daughter zion her portrait her response” and “daughter zion talks back to the prophets”
    men cant be this dumb.
    she is an unwilling scapegoat lamentations 2-3) tells her to “just take it” and not ot be arrogant.. and she will be attacked cruelly and “understand later”
    she is a pawn in two sick men who battle each other…
    when she stops caring for either of them since they fight to the death and never love her..she will be FREE!
    “daughter zion will be utterly forsaken by BOTH her “two dreaded kings”
    they try to make her daughter wife and mother…
    all without her knowledge or permission and in brutal and forceful and abusive ways
    similar to third world countries (in their dealings with women)
    that’s a trapped heart but its being set free
    to never care again (for this type of man)
    that also will correct the males
    when she actually finally doesn’t care anymore at all
    they also can be free from that horrific co dependency on her.
    to force her heart to say “ok no one loves me” is what they did and its not forgiveable..and they will live as birthed yet unloved children as well as the earned result.
    “she starts sweet and ends bitter”-ezekiel (normal female with a heart of “supply” that “runs out” due to abuse and non return of love) says she gets the judgement there.. SHE will write on a two sided scroll liars on one side and thieves on the other.. as he says “I will see who swears falsely by my name (with her as the tool)
    who would birth these people?
    even she asks in the bible
    “who gave birth to all these people/while I was in exile…?”
    then as it says they all seek her life and become her “many enemies”
    its all pride
    she doesnt have to love anyone that’s absurd
    love isn’t forced..and especially not by total strangers
    (can you even imagine how horrific feeling thatd be? if suddenly strangers expected you to “love”them as a supply (one way) type of love?
    its sorcery just as it says it is.

  2. Gary White says:

    Hope you discover the truth and see that it will set you free! God loves you even though you deny Him. He really does! Peace! Have a good week!
    http://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/from-atheism-to-christianity-a-personal-journey

    • Gary White says:

      Great article. Thanks for sharing the truth on here!
      Hope others will see and seek the truth! Our Gos is an awesome God!!
      http://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/from-atheism-to-christianity-a-personal-journey

    • Susan says:

      seems its not God..
      ten commandments
      do not covet another mans house wives servants belongings etc
      god of david
      “I gave you many other mens wives and would give you even more other mens wives” (if only you hadn’t taken THAT one (Bathsheba/causes “blasphemy” to heaven) because her voice and cry reaches heaven…..
      “you cant build the temple youre a man of war!” (Nathan)
      davids god.. be a man of war chop off forskiens and take things by force and kill all the peoples roundabout..
      when he got “caught”
      tune was changed (Bathsheba)
      that’s all
      she was “loved greatly as a daughter”…father daughter covenant
      and davids god (much like allah /war god) uses women as property and sexual pawns.. he does NOT love them as daughters at all
      so Bathsheba was a “problem” for such a folk as this
      “they set up a god their fathers nor their fathers fathers knew,an army god/god of forces”
      he went from chopping foreskins to writing psalms as a man after gods heart… after but didn’t get
      “it is all my desire but he causes it not to grow”
      (because you killed it)
      its all a womans heart
      daughter zion
      being scapegoated.. in this “to and fro never comforted”
      marys heart pierced with a sword will “determine the THOUGHTS of “MANY” is a NT verse
      feminine power is always ignored
      power simply in having a heart.. which causes righteous judgement.. for some reason “many” cant stand that
      Isaiah 29
      “her” “many” enemies….blown away as chaff
      instead they call themselves the bride (even as grown men) which has gone full evil… men are not the bride.. read about daughter zion you will see…
      she bears many children as a virgin but… “not one holds her hand” it says
      and they are enemies (similar to parasites)

  3. neo says:

    Archeologically we can say no more about David and Solomon except that they existed – and that their legend endured.
    ^
    if there was no united monarchy and no widespread literacy and the text was written 4 centuries after the fact , how can we say they existed?

    • Jero Jones says:

      Hi neo
      All religions, such as Judaism are no different from other older or younger when it comes to myths, Christianity is such a religion that is full of anomalies and legends. One can ask was there a giant (Goliath) that David killed with his sling to take the crown Israel? Well if Goliath was 6ft tall, then he was a giant in the time of David! However, it is only myth built around hearsay, and centuries later it is written down as fact, and story are then told to the naive illiterate people in the towns and villages, who then verbally whisper it through time, then another version is written, and we get an epic saga based on supposed fact. Which is a myth sprinkled with a pinch of truth. Just like the story of Adam and Eve! Who wrote the story of Adam and Eve, as there were no other humans about or alive at the time? Science tell us that humans of today are descended from the Homo Sapiens (wise man), who first appeared 200,000 years ago, however, something is seriously wrong dating. The Bible tell us that Adam and Eve lived 6,019 years ago this year (2015), based on Ussher’s Chronology. One of these two dates is a myth, science or the Bible, but which one? Christians scholars say the Bible is correct, so do millions of Christian fundamentalist, like the Young Earth Creationist. So which one is factual, and which one is a myth? If I believe in science, then my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother was an ape, which according to my wife is correct!
      So we are back to King David, who as this blog states, was a butcher, a psycho, and a mass murderer, but we can say that of Moses, and add child abuser, pediophile and a lot more, when god commanded him to annihilate a nation of people. The Bible states: God commanded Moses to kill all of the male Midianite children and “kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” [NUMBERS 31:17-18] The virgins were presumably raped. (NOTE: How could the soldiers know which women were virgins?) On Moses — was he a myth, well academia seems to suggest: The existence of Moses as well as the veracity of the Exodus story are disputed among archaeologists and Egyptologists, with experts in the field of biblical criticism citing logical inconsistencies, new archaeological evidence, historical evidence, and related origin myths in Canaanite culture.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses#cite_note-4/5/6]

      Jero Jones

  4. neo says:

    i agree. additionally king david probably did not exist and there was no united monarchy.

  5. michael says:

    I claim to be a Christian but have plenty of doubts and questions so when I stumbled on your site, I was hoping for some help. But what I found was shallow and sarcastic. Whilst you make some good points much of your content seems to me knee-jerk over-reaction, which is sad because the reason for your site, to expose nonsense and help folk like me, is good

    • Thanks for the comment.
      “Shallow and sarcastic”?
      Shallow – well, I don’t do original research if that’s what you mean. Help me. Are you basing your comment on this page or other pages? Give me an example. I mean it. I would like to eliminate that perception. Actually most of this page is “borrowed” from David Wells – I admitted same in the text above.
      Sarcastic – Yes, I agree, the sarcasm does show through doesn’t it.

      But can you identify those areas where you accuse me of “knee-jerk over-reaction”? I feel like I have identified things that others have not. E.g. about Exodus – I have never seen any other commentary that says Egypt would have been in shambles had the Exodus actually happened. I feel like I provide numerous insights that I don’t see in other atheist rants.
      I would like to improve it so one does not come away with that perception.

      You are exactly the type of person I am trying to reach so your comments carry weight – I don’t want to drive you(se) away.

    • Jero Jones says:

      Hi Michael
      I hope this will help you in your search for information to clarify the doubt and questions that you are after. There has been a King David’s tomb in Israel since the 12th century CE, however, like Christianity, there is no Jewish scholarship that has authenticated the tomb and its complex. This tomb is located on Mt. Zion, Jerusalem, however, as I aforesaid, its authenticity is suspect as some scholars are dubious, as legend has it, King David was buried with his family in the City of David? David’s city (found in the late 19th century) is located in the Wadi Hilweh neighbourhood of Old Jerusalem, which is today primarily an Arab district. The tomb complex was once a Christian Church, which should sound the alarm bells, as history has the church faking and forging in a big way, and it was all for the good of the church if it brought in wealth through in pilgrims, etc.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb] Archaeologist in 2014 are believe to of found a carved stone, which is said to be dated (?) to the time of King Soloman (son of King David) and builder of the first Temple of Jerusalem. However, that is all I have on that subject at the minute, but, if there is any information you require further that will give you some peace of mind, just leave a comment and I will see what I can find in my library and history data.

      Jero Jones

    • Gary White says:

      Keep asking and seeking. The truth with set you free and you’ll be amazed at the new life in Christ that is awaiting you! Peace!
      http://www.bethinking.org/is-christianity-true/from-atheism-to-christianity-a-personal-journey

  6. rapturesite says:

    Is it true they found a tomb of King David?

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