Debunking “some standing here, which …”

What if Jesus DID say these things?

If the words attributed to Jesus really were spoken by Jesus, then Christians should really start to squirm. Along with the glittering platitudes, there are many not-so-nice things that Jesus says. Christians will quote the platitudes allegedly spoken by Jesus but if you are going to accept the Jesus pleasantries as authentic, then you have to accept that Jesus said many things that showed he was not a nice guy. See Jesus Doesn’t Love You If…

Do You Really Believe Jesus Said THIS?

But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27

You better hope he didn’t because, otherwise, we have Jesus making a false promise. That can’t happen with a perfect Jesus.

Backpedaling From Mark, Peter

By the way, Mark 13:32 attempts to undo the damage “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father”.

Note “Jesus/Mark” only uses days and hours as units of variation; not weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenniums.  All modern real biblical scholars believe that Mark 13:32 was added long after the original writings of Mark in order to “explain” why there was still a world.

2 Peter 3:8

The author of 2 Peter acknowledges that Jesus made a promise: “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise …” 3:9 and he is also aware of the failed expectations of early believers. He knows that Jesus, who was supposed to come soon, didn’t come at all. Many had begun to ask, “Where is the promise of his coming?” So he makes up the

one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” cover-your-ass excuse. Believers have been using it ever since.

It should be noted that the vast majority of modern scholars regard 2 Peter as pseudopigraphical and written in the second century. FINALLY, someone got around to making an excuse for the failed promise of Jesus. Christians can breath easier now. Now if only Jesus had said that, it would carry more weight, but alas, Jesus only talked in terms of hours and days.

No matter what the apologists say, JESUS. according to the Bible, said “there be some standing here…”. There is no way that can be spun; he didn’t even use any time delimiters. “Some standing here …” is quite definitive.

Why Doesn’t Jesus Know?

And by the way, how is it Jesus does not know the day and the hour?  Jesus says “only “the Father” knows the day and the hour. Jesus says “no man” knows the day and the hour. Thus Jesus equates himself with mere “man” since he, Jesus, doesn’t know the day or the hour.

Of course Jesus did not know at the time, that In 325, the Council of Nicaea would adopt the Nicene Creed which described  the relationship between the Father and the Son as being one. After more than fifty years of debate, homoousios ( God the Son and God the Father are of the same substance) was recognized as the hallmark of orthodoxy, and was further developed into the formula of “three persons, one being”, u,e, the Trinity.  Jesus did not know then that someday, people would think that he and “the Father” were one and the same.

The Trinity was necessary in order to explain why the first four commandments, which emphasized the fact that there was to be only one God, was no longer in effect.

Anyway, couldn’t he have at least asked his father?

Do You Really Believe Jesus Said THIS?

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Matthew 11:25

Explain THAT! Jesus thanks God for hiding the path to salvation to the wise and the prudent; revealing the “truth” only to people with simple minds like the minds of babies.

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